Posted on 03/04/2007 8:21:23 AM PST by Iscool
The Church was "organized" when our Lord appeared to the apostles and told Peter to feed His sheep on Easter night.
Where does their authority come from? And if you are going to refer to Ignatius, I believe that therefore gives him some authority, which means we can quote from him for support.
Do you believe in the Trinity?
If you are baptized with water in the name of the trinity, by the RC Church's standards the preponderance of evidence is that you ARE a Christian and a member of the Church, albeit imperfectly.
Is Biggirl not a Catholic or is this something else you have wrong about the Church?
The heretical Bible he reads was written at least fifteen hundred years AFTER the apostolic age.
The two I use most often are the King James Version and our old Catholic Bible, called The Holy Bible, which appears to be the Challoner revision of the Douay Rheims using the King James Version. It reads in so many places like the KJV, and its ecclesiastical dictionary in back is spectacular.
The Catholic Church is growing by an astonishing rate in Africa and Asia. It is becoming a threat to the political establishment in China so much so that they must go "underground" (sound familiar; sort of like the early Christians?). The government even insists on naming Bishops which the Catholic Church refuses to recognize. Only the Pope can appoint Bishops.
Christ guides His Church. We simply are part of His Mystical Body--the Church.
Why thank you! I now know that you can be safely ignored on many other issues, since you obviously don't bother to educate yourself before posting.
Fair question...Don't know if I can answer...I'll try...
I believe there are a couple of keys to understanding scripture...Here's one:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
I do my best NOT to interpret scripture...But yet, I do my best to believe it...Even if I don't understand it, I believe it...God will show me in due time...
Don't change it...Don't add or subtract words...Pay attention to the little words...
And:
2Ti 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Study, and rightly divide the word of truth...If you can't find the divisions, you won't get it...
There are no contradiction in the bible...If you find a contradiction, you missed a division...Go and study and pray more...
If I come upon a stranger (and I have) who believes as I do, we are generally in full agreement with what the bible says...
Perhaps about that time --- yes --- or at Pentecost. But the Roman Catholic Church was formed after Constantine took power in Rome.
As LastChance points out, this author preaches against the Trinity. Do you believe in the Trinity?
To quote St. Ignatius of Antioch (you brought him into this, not I):
"to the Church also which holds the presidency in the place of the country of the Romans" (Letter to the Romans).
Hmm, he seems to view the Church of Rome as the leading community of the church.
That doesn't answer the question because anyone else can do the same as you and come up with a different answer. I think this is why you misunderstand the importance of church history, tradition, and proper church authority.
Which is to say, WHAT are you talking about with this fish hat stuff?
No one in the bible bowed down to Peter (and got away with it) and kissed his feet, or his ring, or whatever you guys do.
So you don't know what we do or why we do it, but you know it's wrong. O-o-o-okay!
If you have to reach all the way back to Ignatius for support for something that you didn't get around to recognizing until the late 4th century, then you are really stretching it.
Don't have a date...The last Apostle to write was John...The book of Revelation...The book of Revelation goes up thru the final judgement and off into Glory...That's the end of the canon...
The KJV is different even in the Canon. The other is the main Catholic version for centuries.
Not to mention that King James himself was known to be a little light in the loafers.
And the date? Well, I'll tell you. It was in the fourth Century AD. A Church Council (those Catholics and Orthodox) authorized the Canon that you now know as the New Testament. They threw out books as uninspired or not Apostolic. The NT you read from was approved by a Church Council. What each community had prior to that was a compilation of letters and books that included both what would become the Canon, but also non-canonical books like the Acts of Peter or the Acts of John or the Clement's letter to the Romans.
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