Posted on 03/04/2007 8:21:23 AM PST by Iscool
I know you can't and I will never be one to convince you. There are errors in your own church's doctrines and it is not infallible either. We will have to trust God to sort it out for us but it won't come through just one church. Mary
You are very kind and civil, and I thank you for that.
We believe that we do not have doctrinal error, since the Church speaks with the authority given Her by Christ. Nobody else on Earth has that authority, thus the Church, for example, had the right to change the day of Worship from the last day of the week Saturday (Jewish) to the first day of the week Sunday (day of the risen Christ).
I don't think anyone beleives that their church is infailable. I think some folks beleive their church to be guided by the Holy Spirit, as Christ promised it would be, and some folks feel they personally are guided by the Holy Spirit and thus personally infailable with the church being suspect. I think the latter is simply naive frankly.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm
gives a pretty good definition of infallibility - what it is, how the Church has it, and Scripturally, what is its proof.
that gives an idea of how the patriarchate of Rome saw infaillibility in the late 1800s-early 1900s.
I don’t know many, if any, Christians who think they’re personally infallible. The HS would never tell us anything that’s not backed up by scripture and we do have to be very careful how we interpret the scripture, for sure. I’m not sure any body of believers agrees with all of what the Word says. We all differ and churches have doctrines that differ from one another. It’s sure difficult, as anyone who’s been on these threads knows, to convince the ‘other guy’ of truth. My biggest concern has always been the salvation of people from churches that seem to put doctrine ahead of Christ. HE is first and foremost. Mary, the Saints, even St. Paul or the disciples cannot come before Christ and His Word to us through scripture. We’re not going to make it on our own without putting our faith and trust in Jesus Christ alone. HE is the way, the truth and the light.
Amen to the philosophy that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life. He is the only Way. Via, the early Christians called it.
But, I must differ from you in that I have seen too many post here that think that they are infallible. The Why No One Should Be A Catholic thread, for example.
The nice thing about us is that nothing we put into our doctrine is against the Bible; but, being authorized as the hands and feet of Him on Earth, we can do, and have done things to promote His Will. A bunch of fallible men. It is humbling beyond all description.
I kneel in prayer every single day. The pseudo Popes don’t. I recall the sacrifice that Jesus made on the Cross every single day. The pseudo Popes don’t. I submit myself to the will of the Church of Christ every single day. The pseudo Popes don’t.
They don’t follow the Bible; only certain selected passages. They don’t follow the will of God; they only mouth it in their pride and arrogance. They don’t follow the main principles of the Gospel; they delve in the corners and mix unrelated passage with passage until they have what they deem justification for their heresies and apostacies.
Mary was given to us all by Jesus on the Cross moments before He died. Mother, behold your son; son, behold your Mother. The only other interpretation is that James is Jesus’ physical brother. You must make one interpretation or the other. There are no others.
Via. Vivat Jesus.
Mark
Thanks, Mark
I wish that there were more who would check their unbeliefs at the door.
And the pseudo Popes are????
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm#III says that:
As the supreme teacher of the Church, whose it is to prescribe what is to be believed by all the faithful, and to take measures for the preservation and the propagation of the faith, the following are the rights which pertain to the pope:
it is his to set forth creeds, and to determine when and by whom an explicit profession of faith shall be made (cf. Council of Trent, Sess. 24, cc. 1 and 12);
it is his to prescribe and to command books for the religious instruction of the faithful; thus, for example, Clement XIII has recommended the Roman Catechism to all the bishops.
The pope alone can establish a university, possessing the status and privileges of a canonically erected Catholic university;
to him also belongs the direction of Catholic missions throughout the world; this charge is fulfilled through the Congregation of the Propaganda.
It is his to prohibit the reading of such books as are injurious to faith or morals, and to determine the conditions on which certain classes of books may be issued by Catholics;
his is the condemnation of given propositions as being either heretical or deserving of some minor degree of censure, and lastly
he has the right to interpret authentically the natural law. Thus, it is his to say what is lawful or unlawful in regard to social and family life, in regard to the practice of usury, etc.
whereas the Protestant Reformation helped spread the idea that either many individuals in their own individual churches or else all individuals regardless of church have the authority to do these things.
I believe you are referring to John and not James.
Ah. Yes.
In my haste...
**This is how you folks end up making a goddess out of her, by embellishing what the scriptures actually say. **
I don’t believe that Catholics embelish the Scripture. After all St. Jerome was the one who translated it.
**Mary receives more glory than Jesus in Catholic doctrine and traditions when surely that is not true **
You are correct. This is not true.
I am sure you have heard of the verse from Matthew:
” . . . baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”
I would think as a Christian you have been baptized in a similar manner. Have you?
So are you saying that you do NOT believe in the Holy Trinity, Father, Son, Holy Spirit?
If the Holy Spirit is one of the members of the Triune God, I certainly can choose to pray to the Holy Spirit and do often!
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