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Catholic Converts - Stephen K. Ray (former Evangelical)
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Posted on 03/04/2007 1:10:05 PM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 03/04/2007 1:10:13 PM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 03/04/2007 1:11:18 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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Be sure to visit his web site ...

Defenders' of the Catholic Faith for other conversion stories.

3 posted on 03/04/2007 1:14:40 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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I visited a dying friend this morning at the hospital. She's in a coma. I was alone with her until the visiter came from her parish and gave me Communion. Then the visitor left. Then I said the rosary to her. She couldn't open her eyes but she was moving her fingers and seemed a bit agitated so I put a rosary in her hand and she started feeling it and calmed down. It was a very blessed moment. I felt that there were angels in the room and that I was in the presence of someone who would soon see the face of God.


4 posted on 03/04/2007 1:26:54 PM PST by Mercat
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To: NYer

Thanks, NYer!


5 posted on 03/04/2007 1:32:37 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer; All
Catholic Converts - Stephen K. Ray (former Evangelical)

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6 posted on 03/04/2007 1:35:20 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

What interests me is the large number of Evangelical scholars and theologians who have not converted. If Ray's conversion was based on solid ground, why haven't John MacArthur, RC Sproul, John Stott, et al, all converted?


7 posted on 03/04/2007 2:13:03 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Mercat
Then I said the rosary to her. She couldn't open her eyes but she was moving her fingers and seemed a bit agitated so I put a rosary in her hand and she started feeling it and calmed down. It was a very blessed moment. I felt that there were angels in the room and that I was in the presence of someone who would soon see the face of God.

Bless you, Mercat!

I recently heard a similar story of someone asked to pray for a Protestant friend, who was dying. Recalling the words of our Lord to St. Faustina:

"....When they say this Chaplet in the presence of the dying, I will stand between My Father and the dying person not as the just judge but as the Merciful Savior".

She began praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet. Like your friend, the dying woman was most agitated but as soon as the Chaplet prayers began, she quieted down immediately. Nearby, a Protestant family observed the dramatic change in this woman's composure, listened to the Chaplet and later inquired about these prayers. Should you return to this dying woman's bedside, you may want to include the Divine Mercy Chaplet, as well. Combined with the Rosary, these are most powerful prayers!

8 posted on 03/04/2007 4:01:33 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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thanks. I'll google it.


9 posted on 03/04/2007 4:16:10 PM PST by Mercat
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If Ray's conversion was based on solid ground, why haven't John MacArthur, RC Sproul, John Stott, et al, all converted?

This is a good question, and you may find the answer by watching Marcus Grodi's program - The Journey Home - broadcast live, Monday evenings at 8pm, on EWTN. In fact, since this is a live telecast, you may call in the question or email it to journeyhome@ewtn.com. Either way, you have a good shot at receiving a response.

From years of watching and listening to these conversion stories, a certain 'pattern' has emerged. Many are called but some, for personal reasons, reject it. It's a difficult and oftentimes painful road down which to travel. Conversion can result in the loss of family, friends and stipends. Take for examle the case of Alex Jones, a former Pentecostal minister, whose story you can read here.

There are also female Protestant ministers who recognize the Catholic Church but are reluctant to give up their ministries, recognizing that they can no longer serve in that capacity.

10 posted on 03/04/2007 4:19:59 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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Guess some people are going to be totally surprised to find out there's no denomination in heaven...only real Christians.


11 posted on 03/04/2007 7:53:44 PM PST by Cedar
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Sorry...that answer doesn't answer the mail! I have watched that show many times, and I am convinced that more often than not, the rationale is based on an inadequate understanding of the Scriptures, weak theology, or a combination of the two. I have yet to hear a testimony of any of his guest that displayed an adequate understanding of Protestant theology. Yes, even ordained ministers. In my ministry working with Air Force Academy cadets, and formerly West Point cadets, I continue to be amazed at how poorly taught these kids often are. And even more amazed at the teachings I read and hear from my fellow pastors.

No, I cannot accept "many are called, and few accept"...there are too many problems in the stories I hear on that show.

12 posted on 03/04/2007 8:04:37 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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“He has come too near to the truth, and has forgotten that truth is a magnet, with the powers of attraction and repulsion. . . . The moment men cease to pull against [the Catholic Church] they feel a tug towards it. The moment they cease to shout it down they begin to listen to it with pleasure. The moment they try to be fair to it they begin to be fond of it. But when that affection has passed a certain point it begins to take on the tragic and menacing grandeur of a great love affair. . . . When he has entered the Church, he finds that the Church is much larger inside than it is outside.”

G. K. Chesterton

The Catholic Church and Conversion


Beautiful!!


13 posted on 03/04/2007 8:12:23 PM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has been born. Ronald Reagan)
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I heard him speak in person last month in South Carolina. If you ever get the chance to attend one of his talks, I highly recommend it. He's very engaging, dynamic, and knows his faith!


14 posted on 03/05/2007 5:48:45 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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I have been a member of Stephen Ray's message board for 2.5 years. I highly recommend it to FReepers, given the high number of conservative Catholics there.

If anyone is interested, FReepmail me and I'll give you the web address.


15 posted on 03/05/2007 6:11:37 AM PST by Hoosier Catholic Momma (We interrupt this tagline to announce that another little FReeper (#4) is due 10/8/07!)
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i heard him preach and he’s good. his book is also fascinating into the minds of what distortions are thought to our detractors. Truly they hate some image of the Church that is not the real one.


16 posted on 12/21/2011 12:32:36 PM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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I am catching up on my reading GOOD Piece


17 posted on 04/18/2014 12:27:44 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (AB-Sheen"The truth is the truth if nobody believes it,a lie is still a lie, everybody believes it")
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To: Hoosier Catholic Momma

Stephen K Ray message Board link??


18 posted on 04/18/2014 12:31:51 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (AB-Sheen"The truth is the truth if nobody believes it,a lie is still a lie, everybody believes it")
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Link provided here as url source returned for me

Link as deciphered is -->http://www.lrc.edu/rel/blosser/converts.htm

Other links you embedded in the body of the "article" work, or at least a couple of them which I tested, but there is no working link to when and where this Steven Ray who keeps getting posted about on FR (by you most of all?) said what he is being presented here as saying.

That said, I'm fairly sure he went through this stuff in his own shallow way (while presenting himself as "deep") at times previous published to web locales --somewhere.

But when? And how many times must you re-post much the same regarding Steven Ray the used-t-be-Baptist info in repacked(?) form?

After some noodling around, I discovered the article you posted here is likely to be about Steven Ray, yet written by one Philip Blosser, who's links to "lcr.edu" no longer function -- for I found another of those and got the same "Server not found" result.

So just where did you get this article from?

19 posted on 04/18/2014 1:35:10 PM PDT by BlueDragon (A ship in the harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are for)
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Oh, wait. This is a resurrected thread?

My mistake.

I didn't figure it out until seeing the one around here who goes by the FR handle "Salvation" posted link to you having posted the very same article back in 2007. March 4, to be more precise.

Which was strangely enough, posting link back to the heading of the same thread she was posting a link on.

Right.

20 posted on 04/18/2014 1:46:43 PM PDT by BlueDragon (A ship in the harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are for)
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