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Yeah, you know, worship has to be comfy!
1 posted on 03/09/2007 3:53:06 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal

I have some missionary friends who frequently go to minister to the poor churches in Africa. There the people think nothing of attending church for 6-8 hours without air conditioning in very primitive conditions. "Comfy" churches are a pretty poor testimony to us.


2 posted on 03/09/2007 4:02:15 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: Terriergal

God forbid that we should actually let Him be involved in the worship service.


4 posted on 03/09/2007 4:08:21 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Terriergal

Was it really necessary to put that ugly mug on the web? It's not as if he never gets any free publicity... LOL!


6 posted on 03/09/2007 4:31:33 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: Terriergal

He left out the need for a Starbucks and a McDonalds. /sarc


7 posted on 03/09/2007 5:14:09 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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The shape of your building will shape your service.

OK I give up. I'm going to puke.

One way to combat this tendency is to do an Environmental Impact Report on your church.


13 posted on 03/09/2007 6:13:22 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Terriergal

MAJOR ECCLESIASTICAL INTREP


14 posted on 03/09/2007 6:40:46 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Yes, worship is all about our feelings. We wouldn't want to have anything in our churches put us in a bad mood.

I'm sure everyone was just as happy as can be at Calvary.


16 posted on 03/09/2007 7:37:18 PM PST by Deo volente
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Paul and Silas managed to do it in a filthy Roman jail cell, after having been whipped. I think we're really missing something if the quality of our worship is determined by our circumstances.


17 posted on 03/09/2007 7:44:21 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Terriergal
Here's an experiment: This week secretly replace all the light bulbs in your worship center with twice the watts, then notice the change in mood in next Sunday's service. You may have revival!

This is the Onion, isn't it?

Please tell me this is the Onion.

Please tell me this is a satire.

19 posted on 03/09/2007 7:58:33 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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Thank God for Rick Warren threads. Right now I go through 23 1/2 hours a day without thinking about him. Without threads like this, it would be 24 hours a day. Why, I would NEVER think about Rick Warren.

I mean, that would be bad, right?


22 posted on 03/09/2007 9:29:24 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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I'd be happy if our church backed off on the air conditioning some. That building is so stinkin' cold year round that I have to always have a jacket with me.


33 posted on 03/10/2007 5:41:57 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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..postmodern / emerging church, which looks upon mankind as consumers rather than sinners--consumers to whom you must market the message.

Warren is a very controversial figure and I do not agree with many of his methods. My cousin and his wife attended Saddleback for a brief time.

43 posted on 03/10/2007 7:04:22 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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It's Christianoid feng shui!


53 posted on 03/10/2007 8:34:40 AM PST by aruanan
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WHAT!?! A Rick Warren thread and I'm not invited!


54 posted on 03/10/2007 8:35:27 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: DocRock; del4hope; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; Ottofire; fishtank; ...

YBPDLNPL Ping


56 posted on 03/10/2007 8:36:59 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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**Yeah, you know, worship has to be comfy!**

NOT!

These people need to get on their knees!


59 posted on 03/10/2007 8:39:36 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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What is so offensive in implementing the Great Commission, that you would feel the need to bash another Christian? While Warren may not be your way to Heaven, his methods have brought many people to Christ. Can't you let God be Warren's judge? Are you so dogmatic in your own theology, so doctrine driven, that you feel the need to criticize another persons ministry?

I can understand if Warren was a false prophet, or a heretic but he is simply a minister that leads people to Christ in a different way than you do. Give it a rest already.

60 posted on 03/10/2007 8:41:28 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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Figure out what mood you want your service to project and then create it.

That explains these "venues:"

Two of the above venues are in tents. Just like the circus.

The "mood" I look for in a church in coming into the presence of a Holy God. it's not about me, but Him.

63 posted on 03/10/2007 8:43:44 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: Terriergal

1. Lighting
Lighting has a profound effect on people's moods. Inadequate lighting dampens the spirit of a service.

2. Sound
Invest in the best sound system you can afford. If you're trying to cut costs, do it in some other area. Don't skimp here.

3. Seating
Both the comfort and the arrangement of your seating dramatically affect the mood of any service.

4. Temperature
As a pastor who has preached for years in un-air-conditioned gyms and unheated tents, I say this with the utmost conviction: The temperature can destroy the best planned service in a matter of minutes

5. Clean, safe nurseries
If you want to reach young families, you've got to have sanitized and safe nurseries.

6. Clean restrooms
Visitors may forget your sermon but the memory of a foul smelling restroom lingers on ... and on ... and on! You can tell a lot about the morale of a church by checking out the quality of the restrooms.

Can't really disagree with much here except for the seating. The "personal space/comfort" is not necessary. Wooden pews or even sitting on the floor in a missionary location suffice.


66 posted on 03/10/2007 8:48:23 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Feng Shui, Rick Warren-style. And let me guess - the "Environmental Impact Report" is a service that Saddleback sells!

What's sad is how much time and effort he clearly spends on this stuff. If only he spent that much time picking the scripture citations he used in Purpose Driven Life.

68 posted on 03/10/2007 8:50:37 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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