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To: XeniaSt; Dr. Eckleburg
If you actually read my response, you'd note what I said, precisely:
Could you share where a person was named Peter (Kipa, Petros, Cephas, Tsuwr) prior to that point?

(Having said that, I do realize that God identifies Himself as "Rock" several points in the OT, but the way I read it, the expression is primarily used as an adjective, with the following exceptions:

  • 2Sa 23:3 (Rock of Israel)
  • Isa 30:29 (Rock of Israel [RSV])
  • Isa 44:8 (There is no Rock[RSV])
  • Hab 1:12 (and thou, O Rock[RSV])

And even those do not reflect so much a "Proper Name" as a metaphor (imho).

Bottom line, you didn't need to repeat a superset of those citations I already referenced. To do so insults the work that I already cited. Further, you missed several of the citations where Tsuwr was translated as some other word than "rock" in the KJV. I have a feeling that you must be using a Young's Concordance (that is a weakness of that particular tome).

BTW, as a point of interest, petros is the Greek, kipa is the Aramaic, cephas is the Greek transliteration of the Aramaic, and Tsuwr is an English transliteration of the Hebrew.

First point of clarification, I do not contest (nor would I ever be so presumptuous to do so) that God identifies Himself as "the Rock" throughout the OT. If you would be so good as to read my post #4, you would see that I clearly make that statement.

Second point of clarification, the question I asked in post #4 was,

Could you share where a person was named Peter (Kipa, Petros, Cephas, Tsuwr) prior to that point?

That question was prompted due to XeniaSt's comment, That is not a true statement !

This comment was made in response to the following in the original article:

Even as He conferred the authority, Jesus changed Simon’s name to Peter; i.e., “rock.” The name “Peter” had never existed prior to this divine event in Cesarea Philippi.

So if you could attempt to answer the question I posed in post #4 or, again, above, I would appreciate it.

Please to note, I, again, am not questioning that God calls Himself 'the Rock' at many points throughout the OT. I am also not trying to get into a petros vs petra argument here. Although we might disagree about the interpretation of petros and petra, I am not arguing that 'petra' is a much larger scale than 'petros.' So I would appreciate you answering my question...not answering some other question that you may attempt to read into my words. Thank you.

18 posted on 03/18/2007 7:57:59 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: markomalley
a petros vs petra

Any chance they meant Pteros?

43 posted on 03/19/2007 4:08:18 PM PDT by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: markomalley

Good post, I look forward to a reply.

I think I'll be waiting a while though.


54 posted on 03/20/2007 10:51:25 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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