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Catholic Replies: Inviting relatives (living in sin) to family gatherings
The Wanderer (sorry - no link) | March 22, 2007 | James J. Drummey

Posted on 03/27/2007 10:09:04 AM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer
Furthermore, we have in recent months declined to attend the weddings of first a nephew and then a niece because they were being married before a justice of the peace, which for baptized Catholics is a mortal sin.

Sadly, I have been placed in an analogous situation twice. The advantage of having an old Irish priest with a lot of miles on him is that he gives excellent advice (as is given above as well). In both cases, he said that if questioned about my refusal, to simply tell the party that in the eyes of the Church, there is no wedding to speak of! So, for example, would someone attend a birthday party and bring a gift when the person being celebrated doesn't even show up?

The responses I got were incredible. Yes, some of the family was not happy. However, other good, solid Catholics pulled me aside at later events and told me they wish "they had the guts to take that stand." They hadn't for fear of being disliked.

Thanks for posting this NYer. This situation is going to grow more and more common. To consent by your participation or acceptance is giving horrible Witness to the Gospel. I am reminded of a friend--an Orthodox mother-- who told her son she would not attend his wedding if it was not held in a Church, and her son and his fiancee relented. That is tough love!

21 posted on 03/27/2007 11:30:13 AM PDT by Frank Sheed ("Shakespeare the Papist" by Fr. Peter Milward, S.J.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Amen, Mother. You realize the full impact of that Gospel (it is a Fr. Corapi favorite). The Prodigal Son is ALL of us! God is filled with Divine Mercy and wants us with Him for eternity. However, WE must take that first step and ask forgiveness. He gave us free will to decline His offer!


22 posted on 03/27/2007 11:34:14 AM PDT by Frank Sheed ("Shakespeare the Papist" by Fr. Peter Milward, S.J.)
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To: Frank Sheed
Thank you Frank for your witness and testimony. And, like the Orthodox mother, I too would hold my ground.


Saint Monica

"The child of those tears shall never perish."

23 posted on 03/27/2007 11:37:38 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Frank Sheed
I am reminded of a friend--an Orthodox mother-- who told her son she would not attend his wedding if it was not held in a Church, and her son and his fiancee relented. That is tough love!

*************

It is indeed! A good mother, she has my respect and admiration.

24 posted on 03/27/2007 11:40:18 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer; sandyeggo

A hypothetical....

There is a priest. He is asked to "co-preside" at the wedding of his nephew. It is to be held at a Lutheran Church and the woman is divorced. This will be her second marriage and the children resulting will be raised Lutheran.

Can the priest attend and "Witness" the wedding? One last thing, he baptized his nephew and saw him raised in the Faith.


25 posted on 03/27/2007 11:43:06 AM PDT by Frank Sheed ("Shakespeare the Papist" by Fr. Peter Milward, S.J.)
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To: NYer

Thank you, Monica! ;-o)

Letting children play with dynamite might stop them from wailing and from temper tantrums. It is not in their best interest, however. Especially when a soul is at stake. Witness Fr. Corapi's mom, for example. She was St. Monica too.


26 posted on 03/27/2007 11:47:03 AM PDT by Frank Sheed ("Shakespeare the Papist" by Fr. Peter Milward, S.J.)
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To: NYer

I'm with sandyeggo and oldandtired...let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

You're not inviting these people into your house to have sex on your living room floor. You're inviting them to a family event.


27 posted on 03/27/2007 11:47:44 AM PDT by cammie
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To: Frank Sheed
There is a priest. He is asked to "co-preside" at the wedding of his nephew. It is to be held at a Lutheran Church and the woman is divorced. This will be her second marriage and the children resulting will be raised Lutheran.

No!

28 posted on 03/27/2007 12:06:43 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: cammie; Frank Sheed; sandyeggo
You're inviting them to a family event.

So you are saying that you condone their lifestyle, is this correct?

29 posted on 03/27/2007 12:08:05 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

That is a unique interpretation.


30 posted on 03/27/2007 12:13:48 PM PDT by Palladin (Surrender is not an option.)
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To: sandyeggo

I can't believe some of the people on this thread. (Not you.)

What ever happened to simple Christian charity.

"Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, that you have done unto Me"...said the Lord and Master.


31 posted on 03/27/2007 12:16:25 PM PDT by Palladin (Surrender is not an option.)
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To: cammie

I'm with you.

"In the end, there are these three: Faith, Hope, and Charity.

And the greatest of these is Charity."


32 posted on 03/27/2007 12:19:56 PM PDT by Palladin (Surrender is not an option.)
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To: cammie

That was offensive.


33 posted on 03/27/2007 12:21:44 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: cammie

"'m with sandyeggo and oldandtired...let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

You're not inviting these people into your house to have sex on your living room floor. You're inviting them to a family event."


Exactly! I can't figure out how these "families" think that the sin of someone else is somehow going to pervert the gathering. If that were the case, no one would have family gatherings ever!


34 posted on 03/27/2007 12:23:08 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: swmobuffalo

I agree. What ever happened to 'love the sinner, hate the sin'?


35 posted on 03/27/2007 12:26:06 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Don't question faith. Don't answer lies.)
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To: NYer

I think this sort of thing has to be taken on a case by case basis. There are, perhaps, times when inviting them over is the best course of action and times when not inviting them over would be.

If the homosexual relative couldn't keep it together during the event and would continually fawn over the "boyfriend" then it would be no, to protect MY family. If I thought that being a Christ-like (to the best of my pathetic ability) witness would serve the relative best, I'd invite him.

In any event, each situation like that would require much prayer.


36 posted on 03/27/2007 12:26:43 PM PDT by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: Palladin

Jesus told the Truth. All of it, friend...

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37 posted on 03/27/2007 12:30:00 PM PDT by Frank Sheed ("Shakespeare the Papist" by Fr. Peter Milward, S.J.)
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To: NYer

He couldn't attend of course, and it broke his heart in more ways than one. It was a long story...


38 posted on 03/27/2007 12:32:10 PM PDT by Frank Sheed ("Shakespeare the Papist" by Fr. Peter Milward, S.J.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

We have been taught today that the greatest sin is "intolerance."

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39 posted on 03/27/2007 12:33:14 PM PDT by Frank Sheed ("Shakespeare the Papist" by Fr. Peter Milward, S.J.)
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To: Frank Sheed

Frank, I really can't make any sense of your citations. The Pharisees were EXACTLY the sort of folk who would deny people entrance to their homes because the potential guests didn't meet the definition of holiness as outlined in Jewish law.


40 posted on 03/27/2007 12:34:55 PM PDT by old and tired
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