Mary, Mother of God

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[DungeonMaster]

Is He not only the Son of Man, but the Son of God at the same time?

That truth doesn't require that Marian fairytales be made up.

[MarkBsnr]

Ah, yes. More revisionist history.

Aside from all the other verses that exist throughout the Old and New Testaments, the convincing one to me is John 19:25-27.

Mary is the new Eve of the New Covenant. I’m not sure what it gains when we mock the aids that God gives us.

[DungeonMaster]

So we have 2 possible meanings, either it means the same thing that "Who is my mother" means or it means that Mary is able to:

Hear prayers, provide special intercession as the Mother of the Son of God, that she is the Mother of God, that she is the mother of the church, that she is the Queen of Heaven, that she was immaculately conceived, that she was ever virgin, the dispenser of all grace, that she gave birth while keeping a hymen intact, or that she is our co-redeemer, that she appears to people with messages, that she makes statues bleed, that she performs miracles from heaven.

Lets see...which meaning is supported by the bible and which one is supported only by Rome?

[MarkBsnr]

Are saying that Jesus made Mary the literal mother of someone that she wasn’t?

That’s what the verse says.

Ignoring for a moment the vitriol that appears to shine out of your prose, and going back to the Bible, what it is and how it was written and assembled, and understanding that it is an artifact produced by the Church of Christ, there has been here and on many other threads, the more than adequate Biblical justification of Catholic Marian thought.

I know, it’s hard to keep things straight when one’s beliefs and credos wobble around as theological fashions come and go. But it’s fascinating to watch. It sometimes gets wearying to watch the repeats of certain favourite heresies - and be able to trace their spontaneous eruptions through history, but that’s the way the heresy game seems to be played.

But to openly mock one of God’s gifts to us - one that certainly is Biblically justified, seems very odd.

[DungeonMaster]

Ignoring for a moment the vitriol that appears to shine out of your prose, and going back to the Bible, what it is and how it was written and assembled, and understanding that it is an artifact produced by the Church of Christ, there has been here and on many other threads, the more than adequate Biblical justification of Catholic Marian thought.

No there certainly has not.

I know, it’s hard to keep things straight when one’s beliefs and credos wobble around as theological fashions come and go. But it’s fascinating to watch. It sometimes gets wearying to watch the repeats of certain favourite heresies

No kidding! I also notice a very distinct pattern in RC defense of Marianism. You are hitting all of the steps.

- and be able to trace their spontaneous eruptions through history, but that’s the way the heresy game seems to be played.

You should read the bible rather than the RC version of history.

But to openly mock one of God’s gifts to us - one that certainly is Biblically justified, seems very odd.

So are you accusing me of mocking Mary?

[MarkBsnr]

Actually, I would say that you ought to read the Bible. The whole Bible and all of it. I would not expect a child to understand advanced string theory, neither would I expect an individual by himself to understand Scripture. Your theology is different from all your peers. Do you have an answer as to why? Could it be because you are a fallible human with fallible interpretation in a world of fallible humans with fallible interpretations?

Have you looked at any of the links with chapter and verse provided on this and on many other threads?

Have you considered visiting the Vatican, the USCCB, New Advent and other Catholic websites which publish all the information you apparently don’t understand - freely and open to all? It explains what the Church is, how it came about, what its role is and the theology and the reasons that the theology is what it is.

Do you not mock God’s gift to us of Mary? “Marian fairytales”, and a complete fabrication of Mary’s role might lend itself to such a conclusion. You have not hit all the steps taken by those who would condemn Mary, not by a long shot, but you have hit some.

[DungeonMaster]

Have you considered visiting the Vatican, the USCCB, New Advent and other Catholic websites which publish all the information you apparently don’t understand - freely and open to all? It explains what the Church is, how it came about, what its role is and the theology and the reasons that the theology is what it is.

Thanks for talking down to me by claiming that I simply don't understand. Could it be that I do understand and simply reject it as anti-scriptural?

Do you not mock God’s gift to us of Mary? “Marian fairytales”, and a complete fabrication of Mary’s role might lend itself to such a conclusion. You have not hit all the steps taken by those who would condemn Mary, not by a long shot, but you have hit some.

Your Mary is not the Mary of the Bible. I have no problems with the Mary of the bible at all. It is the one that has all of these anti-biblical attributes that I flat out reject.

[MarkBsnr]

I do not claim knowledge of you other than what you write and how you write it. Therefore I do not say that you do not understand. I say that it appears to me that you do not understand. If you actually do understand, then that understanding is not being understood by me; it is not conveyed to me in a manner that I understand.

Understand?

Now, I would have you understand that I don’t HAVE a Mary. I accept Mary’s person and role from the Bible and from its creator - the Church. I accept, and I believe the Word of God from His Church.

Some would say that I am merely a parrot; I’d take issue with that. But I am following exactly the Biblical injunctions exactly as they’re laid out - understand Scripture, follow the Church’s teachings, and don’t try to come up crazy new interpretations of His Word.