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To: wideawake
Well, I think I'd might as well give up. It's impossible to argue with these "theistic evolutionists."

I point out the hypocrisy of invoking uniformitarianism with regard to Genesis but rejecting it elsewhere. I point out the inconsistency of bowing to "science" in one area while dogmatically refusing to listen to it an another. I point out the illogic of expecting the world to come into existence in a way governed by natural laws that were not even fully created until the creation process was complete, not to mention the idea of G-d using a naturalistic, uniformitarian method to create a paradise of immortal humans and talking snakes. All I get are cackles of amusement that imply "oh well, you can't help it, you're one of those simple-minded rednecks." And the thing that really gets me is that the atheists who consistently reject any and all miracles seem to treat these hypocrites with greater respect than they do us honest and internally consistent creationists.

There are still a very few Catholic creationists here at FR. But there isn't a single solitary Eastern Orthodox creationist here, and considering the Alice-in-Wonderland things they believe in other matters that is very hard to stomach. Oh well. So the Orthodox now believe that "Adam and Eve" (who never really existed despite being Orthodox saints) were created mortal and there never was a paradise of any kind. Oh yeah. That's unchanged, unaltered, ancient doctrine of the fathers all right. And I'm a mere rationalist modern under the influence of modern positivism.

Let 'em go. There's no need even trying to converse with these people.

33 posted on 04/16/2007 9:47:34 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Kol mishkav 'asher yishkav `alayv hazav yitma' . . . .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
One can point out that Genesis is not a scientific treatise, nor was it intended to be. Hashem wrote those words to express what He intended to accomplish, not to express what biological researchers want to know. The language of Genesis is plainspoken, not technical.

That being said, the words He wrote are true. They are facts, and things happened precisely as He describes them. He was the witness and the actor. He was there.

Once we start trying to scientifically "explain" Scripture, the thread is lost.

Biological science needs to make a Scriptural account of itself.

Scripture does not need to make a bioscientific account of itself.

St. Thomas Aquinas' take is right, as usual.

34 posted on 04/16/2007 9:57:54 AM PDT by wideawake
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