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To: SoothingDave; Claud; redgolum; Cletus.D.Yokel
From where comes the idea that a Sacrament is only about conferring forgivness?

From Jesus. The chief benefit of Holy Baptism and Holy Communion is the forgiveness of sins. Likewise of course with Holy Absolution.

Keep in mind, there is Holy Baptism, there is Holy Communion, there is Holy Absolution. Each has its own proprium, and they all have features in common. It is what these have in common that leads us to group them in a category we call "sacrament/-s" (cf. mysteri-on/-a in the Greek NT and sacrament-um/-a in the Latin.

BTW, notice how St. Paul, in 1 Corinthians 10, intimates the understanding of two main sacraments, Baptism and the Lord's Supper, by seeing their "types" in Old Testament Israel.

78 posted on 05/01/2007 12:23:28 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: Charles Henrickson
From Jesus. The chief benefit of Holy Baptism and Holy Communion is the forgiveness of sins. Likewise of course with Holy Absolution.

That's a circular argument. Nice and tight, but still circular.

If God communicates His grace through healing oil or through the laying on of hands, a change is made to the person. He receives grace.

I don't see why a limit is put on how you classify God working in this way.

Yes, Jesus forgave the lame man his sins, but He also healed his infirmity.

81 posted on 05/01/2007 12:34:41 PM PDT by SoothingDave (Eugene Gurkin was a janitor, cleaning toilets for The Man)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Thanks pastor! Meant to ping you (another freeper pinged me here) then got tied up at work.


86 posted on 05/01/2007 12:41:45 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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