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To: StAthanasiustheGreat

“I would say that their is a particular SSPX Bishop (Williamson comes to mind) who is perhaps well intentioned, but fundamentally misguided, so its not confined to Novus Ordo.”

What is misguided about anything that the trad side of Catholicism does? (Other than the sedevacanist/conclavist/dogmatist movement)

We just want the church the way it was...because the way it is now...is too friggin politcally correct to call a spade a spade. You’ll reach out to everyone else...except yourselves...pleeease


10 posted on 05/13/2007 4:26:09 PM PDT by xangel0228
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To: xangel0228
What is misguided about anything that the trad side of Catholicism does?

Is this a self-parody? It sure sounds like it!

16 posted on 05/13/2007 4:34:21 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Death is perishable. Faith is eternal.)
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To: xangel0228

Are you familiar with Bishop Williamson? He is most definitely misguided, though perhaps well-intentioned. He’s even threatened schism within SSPX if Bishop Fellay pursues reunion with Rome.

And you answered your question with what could possibly be misguided about Traditional Roman Catholicism. The movement in and of itself is not misguided, but when it delves into Sedvecantism and Anti-Semitism (as it sometimes in certain groups does), it becomes misguided.


19 posted on 05/13/2007 4:48:24 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: xangel0228
Consecrating bishops chosen by Archrebel Lefebvre and then by his successors in schism in DIRECT DEFIANCE of papal authority and in direct violaton of the priestly vow of obedience would seem to qualify as "misguided" (charitably speaking) especially after it led to the excommunications of those bishops and their adherents in schism by John Paul the Great in Ecclesia Dei (1988) IF the schizzies were Catholic but they are not. I feel sure that actual Traditional Catholics sin like anyone else and sin is always misguided. SSPXers also sin like anyone else, including Catholics which the schizzies are not.

"We just want the way it was..." Well, you can want whatever you want but it is NOT YOUR CALL. Jesus Christ established and empowered the papacy for any number of reasons including the ecclesiastical governance of those who claim to be Catholic (whether we Catholics like it or not) and it does not matter that the excommunicated schismatics disagree except in terms of the consequences to the souls of the schismatic excommunicati.

I think it was Jesus Christ (our Founder) who issued the Great Commission to go and teach all nations, baptizing them. He did not exclude SSPX or atheistic Marxists or Buddhists or Hindus but few among those groups are willing to listen. If SSPX ever fully repents and seeks re-admission to the Roman Catholic Church, I feel sure that this pope or some successor pope will let us know.

81 posted on 05/14/2007 10:06:25 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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