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To: stfassisi; kosta50; Kolokotronis
Ave Maria!

I agree with the warning as opposed to anathema sit for early Merton and so to for Tertullian and Origen. Kosta, just wanted mention that we don’t call either Tertullian or Origen saints. But your right, Kalo, we westerners do seem enamored with them. Probably our western bias. :) I think Tertullian denied the virgin birth ?? or was that the perpetual virginity. Interesting because he went a stray under the influence of a woman who, I believe, had less than a virginal reputation. Does anyone have details on that?

I thk we all agree pretty much an many things here. I’ve been enjoying this.

Ave Maria!

175 posted on 05/19/2007 6:02:15 PM PDT by Friar Roderic Mary
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To: Friar Roderic Mary
You probably have seen this already,but Ill give you this in case you have not

THE FIFTH MARIAN DOGMA
Mary: Coredemptrix, Mediatrix, Advocate
http://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/MEDIATRI.HTM

176 posted on 05/19/2007 6:14:11 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: Friar Roderic Mary; kosta50; stfassisi; fr maximilian mary

“Interesting because he went a stray under the influence of a woman who, I believe, had less than a virginal reputation. Does anyone have details on that?”

Tertullian came under the spell of a couple of “prophetesses” Priscilla and Maximilla who were Montanists. By the time he actually became a Montanist heretic himself, however, I believe they were both dead. Eventually he left the Montanists and set up his own sect which died out by the mid 5th century.

“I thk we all agree pretty much an many things here. I’ve been enjoying this.”

You and Fr. Max should hang around here. You’ll find out all sorts of interesting stuff.


177 posted on 05/19/2007 6:17:43 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Friar Roderic Mary
I meant to add this, seeing as you open and close with "Ave Maria" (very nice touch, that):

Χαῖρε͵ νύμφη ἀνύμφευτε!

178 posted on 05/19/2007 6:27:07 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Friar Roderic Mary
I agree with the warning as opposed to anathema sit for early Merton

Why bother with Merton when we have St. Teresa of Avila on contemplative prayer. Right?

Time for me to go... My wife will be home from NYC soon.

I wish everyone a Blessed Evening!

179 posted on 05/19/2007 6:28:57 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: Friar Roderic Mary; stfassisi; Kolokotronis
Kosta, just wanted mention that we don’t call either Tertullian or Origen saints

Well, they are not Church fathers either!

I think Tertullian denied the virgin birth ?? or was that the perpetual virginity.

Perpetual virginity for sure. I don't think he denied virgin birth (that's scriputral).

I enjoy your posts too. Have a blessed Sunday all of you.

181 posted on 05/19/2007 7:33:23 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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