[Claud]

Firstly, it is a given because Scripture is adamant that believers are to obey God above men, and that no man has absolute authority on earth as the popes of Rome tried to claim for themselves.

"What you bound on earth shall be bound in heaven. And what you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven"...."Whoever hears you, hears me."..."If he will not listen to the Church, let him be to you as a heathen or tax collector."

That's a grant of personal authority. Power to bind with legislation, power to teach authoritatively, and power to excommunicate. Not absolute authority no, but an authority insofar as the Church is the ultimate judge on certain key matters of religion.

The Apostolic Tradition was recorded in the Scriptures, and was and is passed on to every genuine believer, so said 98% of the Church Fathers.

98% eh? I'd be surprised if it was 2%. Let's see some quotes.

[Frank Sheed]

Please refrain from confusing the issue with facts, sir!

;-o)

[Risky-Riskerdo]

."If he will not listen to the Church, let him be to you as a heathen or tax collector."

Only if a legitimate church and only if the church is not teaching false doctrine and other teachings contrary to God, which the Roman religion does.

[Risky-Riskerdo]

The Apostolic Tradition was recorded in the Scriptures, and was and is passed on to every genuine believer, so said 98% of the Church Fathers.

98% eh? I'd be surprised if it was 2%. Let's see some quotes.

Will you drop the Roman pretense of papal supremacy when I present the quotes? Yes or no?