Posted on 05/31/2007 8:43:12 AM PDT by NYer
Well then you read it and show me where the author says the lessons taught over and over in the books of the Kings has been done away with, thanks in advance, as I can’t find it, :)
There’s a spiritual Israel and a secular one, same rules apply, unless you want to show me in the bible, where God rescinded them, thanks again.
No institution. God prefers tabernacles not made with hands, indwelled now with the Holy Spirit.
So......er.......will you be heading to Washington to blow up the Lincoln Memorial and Abe's graven image? How about a trip to South Dakota to lob a few grenades at Mt. Rushmore? Away with the "graven images"!! Or is it only the "graven images" of holy men and women to which you object? Seriously, this is Taleban mentality.
I can think of no finer example of the confusion into which one is led by "the Bible sez......." lunacy. After all, what is the purpose of these images? Is it not to make present to us those whom we consider to have done great deeds and whom we consider worthy of imitation? I'm talking of both religious and secular spheres here.
Do you perhaps carry an image of a spouse or child or another loved one around with you? Would your spouse, perhaps be jealous of the picture in your wallet? Could she believe that you actually love the photo and not her? That you are depriving her of honor due to her and instead giving it to the "graven image"? The very idea is asinine, isn't it?
Similarly, does a statue of The Sacred Heart or a crucifix with a corpus on it, somehow anger God and make Him feel that we are denying him worship? On the contrary, their purpose is to remind us of Him, just as Abe's statue is meant to remind us of his accomplishments in the secular world.
When Scripture refers to "graven idols" it is pointing to gods which are man made. Gods of our own construction which come between us and the true God and which we place above God. For many, money is their "graven idol", for others it is the flesh. God is no more angered by our statues of holy men and women who have labored valiantly in His vineyard than he is by Teddy Roosevelt's mug on Mt. Rushmore.
There's 3 possibilities. You were speed reading; you read bits and pieces; or you didn't read it at all. There are 4 mentions of the books of Kings in Part I itself.
Or is this one of those humorless Caucus threads?
Well said.
G’night.
I agree "idols" can be money, etc., but in the bible, God specifically mentions manmade gods from tree stumps in His condemnation, along with incense. In the NT, it was metal Dianas.
I don't pray to, worship or venerate, photographs, oil paintings or plastic bobble heads, sorry
There is a booklet, Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth, it is a fairly short missive about Catholicism and it cites the scriptures.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Pillar.asp
I pray for you often.
Well I see there is a mention of Solomon’s temple and the oxen, but nowhere do I see him bring up the many condemnations of making and worhiping foreign idols. Trying to use the oxen inside the temple as an excuse for idol worship is ludicrous, as the Jewish people did not worship oxen, number one, and what they represented has nothing to do with “worship”, number 2. The one time they did build a golden calf was something entirely different, and was not ordered by God. The oxen were.
I will!
Thank you murphe!
Okay. So did the world just wake up one day and there was a compilation of books called the Bible?
Luke1:70
As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
Lastly, He has revealedHimself in Christ. The prophets wrote and recorded these things, and what Word exists is because God wants it to exist. No "institution" is responsible for the holy Word of God.
We don’t pray to the statue, rather, we ask St. Faustina to pray for us.
There is no idol worship that takes place.
The easy answer is the Holy Spirit but what men and/or what institution did the Holy Spirit work through?
Well,when you put crowns and clothes on these things and carry them around in the street on their “feast days”, yes there is. Anything that takes away from God’s glory is idolatry. Biblically, the dead don’t hear you and a tree stump can’t pray for you.
Where biblically, does it say that the Holy Spirit works through institutions of men? He works through holy men of God.
Thank you, I’m afraid I’m going to end up a Catholic, the way things are going. I’m not sure about this, not sure at all, and don’t want to act because of emotionalism or spiritual immaturity or restlessness, but from a logical examination of Catholic thinking. I was raised from childhood to believe that Catholicism is vile, superstitious, corrupt, exploitative of the ignorant, etc. I would have to leave so much, so many people, if I became Catholic. But I feel this strange, strong pull . . .
Gee, I have a LOT of work to do!
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