Posted on 06/05/2007 10:53:58 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
I suspect he was given the biblical name of “Butt Rather”
At last! Something with which I can agree with you 1,000% !
I guess I think a catholic who was "going through the motions" when he said a decade would also be "going through the motions" when he went to confession. Such a person would need some praying for, I guess, and some pity, on account of his or her missing so much that is so helpful. I know you guys hate it and all (if I had any doubts, I guess this thread took care of 'em, huh?), but the Rosary is such a wonderful devotion, at least for me.
I know, here's where I kind of disagree with what you are saying about one's heart being in something. I think sometimes feelings follow thoughts and deeds, rather (even Dan rather!) than precede them. Sometimes when I'm angry at the boss-lady, it's important to say, "I love you," because I DO, even if I don't feel like all affectionate at the moment. Usually when I begin my morning devotions, what I mostly feel is the need for caffeine to reach the cerebral cortex. (How Mormons do it is completely beyond me. A religion with neither wine nor coffee? Maybe they get into heaven because they've suffered enough? But I digress.) But by the end of my prayers, I "feel like" praying and am no longer going through the motions. I may be missing the point when I start out, but by the time I'm done, the point has found me.
What she saw was the "light bearer" Lucifer deceiving her, and they made her a saint for that.
AMEN!!! Could anything be any clearer than that?
One for the record books!
11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Amen. A rebuke from Christ's own lips regarding how much more blessed than even His mother are those who "hear the word of God and keep it."
And still they foolishly, stubbornly kneel to her.
teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." -- Matthew 28:19-20"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
Yes, if they won’t believe Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe the One who died for them. Nothing more you can do or say for or to, stubborn, stiff-necked people, which is how God Himself refers to them.
It’s interesting that when the bible uses the word God in this passage, it means God the Father. (People obviously have seen God the Son) I haven’t really thought about it up to this point, but I wonder if when “God” is used elsewhere in the bible in a non-identified manner, it always refers to the Father.
My point is that it would make the expression, “Mother of God” incorrect. (It’s incorrect for in non-specificity, imho, but if when dealing with non-specificity the bible always means “God the Father” then it’s doubly wrong.)
Hey, BChr, do you have a take on what I’m trying to get at above?
I'd have NO problem trying to explain it to him. LOL
I guess I think a catholic who was "going through the motions" when he said a decade would also be "going through the motions" when he went to confession.
I agree.
Such a person would need some praying for, I guess, and some pity, on account of his or her missing so much that is so helpful.
Again, I agree. Thing is, I think there are a lot of people who are involved in religions without the underlying belief that should go with it. They go, because their parents are forcing them to go or because their spouse expects it of them.
I know you guys hate it and all (if I had any doubts, I guess this thread took care of 'em, huh?), but the Rosary is such a wonderful devotion, at least for me.
I do know that it works for some people, but yeah, those of us who would never use one have very strong feelings about why we don't or won't. There is no nice, gentle way to express our beliefs about it. Posting an article that looks like an attempt to convert us to the practice is asking us to get ugly.
I know, here's where I kind of disagree with what you are saying about one's heart being in something. I think sometimes feelings follow thoughts and deeds, rather (even Dan rather!) than precede them.
No, actually I agree with you. There's a reason God has had to knock me around quite a bit, cuz I'm a terribly willful child. I'm talking about something a little different, where being forced to do something results in the opposite of the desired effect. I think that many of the angrier atheists were forced into religion that didn't connect with them as children. The more they were pushed, the angrier they became & the harder they pushed away.
Sometimes when I'm angry at the boss-lady, it's important to say, "I love you," because I DO, even if I don't feel like all affectionate at the moment.
That's cuz your heart is in it, even if you don't feel it at that moment.
Usually when I begin my morning devotions, what I mostly feel is the need for caffeine to reach the cerebral cortex.
Right, but you do it because your heart is in it, even if you don't feel it at that moment. For some reason I remembered morning swim practice in the summer, where the water was cold, but the air was even colder. The pool had fog over it! Fog!! Sometimes you just gotta dive in & keep on moving. LOL
(How Mormons do it is completely beyond me. A religion with neither wine nor coffee? Maybe they get into heaven because they've suffered enough? But I digress.)
I think they get in if they've kidnapped enough of our ancestors. ;o) (I'm doin nuttin but makin new friends lately)
But by the end of my prayers, I "feel like" praying and am no longer going through the motions. I may be missing the point when I start out, but by the time I'm done, the point has found me.
If you didn't "feel like" at any point while you were doing it, would you continue to do it?
So why do you bother?
Because of threads like this one, spreading error
A Christian's job is to faithfully preach the word of God to all nations.
Whether or not men understand the word of God is up to God. It is He who gives ears to hear and eyes to see and a new heart with which to believe in Jesus Christ.
7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Cheap shot...and one that requires a response of, "protestant 'preachers' are equally guilty, just disconnected and therefore more difficult to tabulate."
You'll be in my Rosary intentions.
Who the heck are these so-called “church fathers” anyway? If their writings were so important, wouldn’t the early believers have included them in Scripture.
Matthew 23:9 — Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
(since we’re not going to kill it, let’s extend it!)
It's a way of making a foundation into a huge edifice.
Numbers 11 sets the precedent. Moses picked 70 men and the HS fell on them. He also fell on 2 men back at the camp,Eldad and Medad, and Moses said “would God that all the LORD’S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!”
Someone posted 1 Cor 2 somewhere & it got me thinking about the Trinity & how it could relate to us being made in God's image. Are we not mind, body & spirit? Are we not three, yet one? Why would God look any different than Jesus, I mean other than when He's in the form where we are unable to "see" Him, cuz it is beyond our measure?
very elegant point
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