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To: 1000 silverlings
Yes, the priest is Christ, according to the Catholic church

No, the priest is like a placemarker for Christ, but isn't actually Christ.

57 posted on 06/10/2007 1:51:56 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: GoLightly; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe
No that's what they want us to think. Reseach the term in persona Christi
70 posted on 06/10/2007 3:01:23 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.)
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To: GoLightly; Dr. Eckleburg; ears_to_hear; P-Marlowe; HarleyD; xzins
From one website:

http://cfpeople.org/SeminarianWritings/Sem033.html

By virtue of sacramental consecration, the ordained priest does not simply become a functionary.

This consecration does not set him apart to simply perform certain tasks in the Church. No, by virtue of the sacramental consecration which the priest receives, he is ontologically changed. He is configured to the Person of Jesus Christ, Head and Shepherd, in a new way in his very being. "The relation of the priest to Jesus Christ, and in him to his Church, is found in the very being of the priest by virtue of his sacramental consecration/anointing and in his activity, that is, in his mission and ministry." Just as at Baptism and Confirmation the Christian is sacramentally marked on the soul, so is the man who is ordained a priest marked sacramentally and configured to Christ the Priest.

72 posted on 06/10/2007 3:07:40 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.)
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To: GoLightly; 1000 silverlings; ears_to_hear; P-Marlowe; pjr12345; HarleyD
The RCC is predicated on the erroneous belief that priests are actually, factually and materialistically different from other believers.

INSTITUTES OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION
by John Calvin
Chapter 18
OF THE POPISH MASS.
HOW IT NOT ONLY PROFANES,
BUT ANNIHILATES THE LORD'S SUPPER.

"...Let us show, therefore as was proposed in the first place, that in the mass intolerable blasphemy and insult are offered to Christ. For he was not appointed Priest and Pontiff by the Fathers for a time merely, as priests were appointed under the Old Testament. Since their life was mortal, their priesthood could not be immortal, and hence there was need of successors, who might ever and anon be substituted in the room of the dead. But Christ being immortal, had not the least occasion to have a vicar substituted for him. Wherefore he was appointed by his Father a priest for ever, after the order of Melchizedek, that he might eternally exercise a permanent priesthood (Heb. 5:6,10; 7:17,21; 9:11; 10:21; Ps. 110:4; Gen. 14:18). This mystery had been typified long before in Melchizedek, whom Scripture, after once introducing as the priest of the living God, never afterwards mentions, as if he had had no end of life. In this way Christ is said to be a priest after his order.

But those who sacrifice daily must necessarily give the charge of their oblations to priests, whom they surrogate as the vicars and successors of Christ. By this subrogation they not only rob Christ of his honour, and take from him the prerogative of an eternal priesthood, but attempt to remove him from the right hand of his Father, where he cannot sit immortal without being an eternal priest..."

...We deny that they are priests in this sense, namely, that by such oblations they intercede with God for the people, that by propitiating God they make expiation for sins. Christ is the only Pontiff and Priest of the New Testament (cf. Heb. ch.9): to him all priestly offices were transferred, and in him they closed and terminated. Even had Scripture made no mention of the eternal priesthood of Christ, yet, as God, after abolishing those ancient sacrifices, appointed no new priest, the argument of the apostle remains invincible, "No man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron," (Heb. 5: 4.) How, then, can those sacrilegious men, who by their own account are murderers of Christ, dare to call themselves the priests of the living God?..."


74 posted on 06/10/2007 3:19:50 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: GoLightly
No, the priest is like a placemarker for Christ, but isn't actually Christ.

Thank you for correcting him/her. The expression is in persona Christi -- "in the person of Christ" -- a placemarker is an interesting way to put it...

78 posted on 06/10/2007 3:41:58 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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