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3 insurers shed light on Protestant church sex abuse
Houston Chronicle ^ | June 14, 2007 | ROSE FRENCH

Posted on 06/15/2007 5:33:53 AM PDT by Between the Lines

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To: markomalley
I do not speak one word against any RC believer. I speak against some of the doctrines of the RCC which are anti-Scriptural fables.

You're free to do the same.

"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? -- Gal. 4:16

81 posted on 06/15/2007 2:55:26 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I speak against some of the doctrines of the RCC which are anti-Scriptural fables.

*************

You do yourself a disservice with this statement, friend.

82 posted on 06/15/2007 2:57:30 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Unlike the RCC clergy whose ranks are literally filled with sexual deviates.

Well then.......good news, Doc!

A Church "literally filled" with "sexual deviates" (sic) is unlikely to last too long, wouldn't you say? A church so deeply rotten will undoubtedly self-destruct......and soon.

Are we agreed?

Good.

Here's a suggestion; hold your breath and don't let it out until it happens.

83 posted on 06/15/2007 3:00:49 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: trisham
So do you disagree with that priest and his essay? Is the priest of the RCC "another Christ?" The author of that article called in several other priests whom he quoted who reached that same conclusion.

Are these priests teaching something counter to the magisterium about their priestly role in the church?

Where do you disagree with the statements of those priests? Where have those priests erred?

THE AMAZING GIFT OF THE PRIESTHOOD

84 posted on 06/15/2007 3:03:45 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: marshmallow

It’s always good when we’re able to hold our tempers and not make the discussion personal.


85 posted on 06/15/2007 3:08:30 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: marshmallow
I'd really like to hear the opinions of any RC who actually watches the documentary, "Deliver Us From Evil."

So far all I've heard is RCs who refuse to see it.

Which, of course, just seems to be more of the same old blindspot. For parents, this is a dangerous evasion.

86 posted on 06/15/2007 3:12:54 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Address my post.

If the Catholic Church is as bad as you describe, we're surely done for. And soon, wouldn't you say?

87 posted on 06/15/2007 3:13:28 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: trisham
You do yourself a disservice with this statement, friend.

Are we now discussing these things as a service to ourselves?

I didn't know.

88 posted on 06/15/2007 3:16:25 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I apologize, but I’ll have to get back to you on this.


89 posted on 06/15/2007 3:21:50 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: marshmallow
Address my post.

ROTFLOLOL!!!

Must I salute, too? I could also click my heels, if that is of any benefit to you.

There will always be error in this world. As God wills.

"For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you." -- 1 Corinthians 11:19

The RCC is not known for consistency. Perhaps one day the Holy Spirit will lead it into the merciful full light of the truth of Christ risen, made known to us by the word of God and the power of God.

90 posted on 06/15/2007 3:23:26 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Unlike the RCC clergy whose ranks are literally filled with sexual deviates.

You know the most recent per year number for the RCC, don't you?

The fact that only some of the 260 per year are clergy isn't much of a comfort.

Beyond all that, my point is that none of us can relax our guard. The predators are unrelenting so we have to deny them the opportunities to abuse.

91 posted on 06/15/2007 3:26:31 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: trisham
No need to apologize to me.

The only thing any Protestant really wants is for a member of the RC to return to the Bible and read from it. We're content in knowing God gives ears to hear and eyes to see and a new heart to whom He wills.

"I thank my God upon every remembrance of you,

Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy,

For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;

Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" -- Philippians 1:3-6


92 posted on 06/15/2007 3:31:30 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
In post #76 I read this:

I don't "edit for shock value"

Uh huh.

So 2 posts later, in #78 I read this:

Unlike the RCC clergy whose ranks are literally filled with sexual deviates.

"Literally filled". No hyperbole or shock value there, of course. Then, on a roll now, 3 posts later we have this:

I speak against some of the doctrines of the RCC which are anti-Scriptural fables.

Again, no shock value there.

So.......our clergy is "filled" with perverts and and our doctrines are "anti-Scriptural" fables.

Rather than attempting to refute this, which as others have pointed out, is an exercise in futility in your case, I'm running with it. Agreeing with you.

Ours is a Church full of sexual deviants engaged in teaching fables. Give us your medical prognosis, Doc. Don't be shy. Definitely a terminal illness, no? God's blessing could never be with such an abomination, surely?

How long to live?

93 posted on 06/15/2007 3:36:39 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting; -- Acts 9:5-6
94 posted on 06/15/2007 3:38:00 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: siunevada
If you were to watch "Deliver Us From Evil," the documentary about recent sexual abuse of children in the RC clergy, you'd see part of the problem is that the young Catholic child is taught, along with the rest of the church, that the priest is more than a man, closer to God than mere human beings.

And as we've seen from the article by the priest I posted, the RCC teaches that priests are "another Christ."

Thus, can you imagine for a moment the paralyzing fear of a child who is being molested by a man whom his parents and church are telling him is "another Christ?"

That lie is not told in Protestant churches. Children who might be abused by a Protestant clergy would run from him as they would run from any other man.

The problem is deep inside the RCC. As long as it insists priests are "another Christ," they are preaching "another Gospel."

95 posted on 06/15/2007 3:38:23 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

BTW, I, for one, fully agree with that priest and his article.

Your extracts are another matter.


96 posted on 06/15/2007 3:40:19 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: marshmallow
No hyperbole or shock value there, of course.

The actual quote was "edit for shock value."

But I bet you knew that.

I don't mind my posts being seen as "shocking." The errors of the RCC are massively shocking and do far more damage than anything I might inflict on the magisterium's confusion.

You'll note also, for the sake of the truthfulness of your comments, that I was speaking of the immorality of the clergy. I never once made that assessment of the congregation.

But you probably knew that, too. And yet you still chose to misquote me...again.

97 posted on 06/15/2007 3:46:58 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: markomalley

Thank you for that excellent Scripture. May we all have our moment of clarity by the hand of God as Paul did on the road to Damascus.


98 posted on 06/15/2007 3:49:08 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: markomalley
BTW, I, for one, fully agree with that priest and his article.

So you believe that "priests are another Christ."

Thanks. Your agreement has been noted now from heaven to all parts of the earth and below.

99 posted on 06/15/2007 3:53:04 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Wow. You even post your invective against the Catholics in a thread critical of the Protestants. You don’t stop. But nice try to point the floodlights in the other direction.

The article reads that there are upwards of 260 reports of sex abuse in the protestant churches per year. In the Catholic church, however, the article points out that there has been 13,000 cases of child molestation since 1950. Whipping out the ole calculator and figuring out the average per annum for the Catholic Church reveals 232 cases per year (13,000/56).

Oh, but those doing the fact gathering must be papists right? Or the supposed victims of the Protestants are liars?


100 posted on 06/15/2007 3:59:53 PM PDT by theanonymouslurker
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