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To: Ping-Pong; Iscool; CA Conservative; labette
We will all experience Satan's tribulation before Christ arrives.

That is true, however the Tribulation spoken of in Revelation and Daniel is not "Satan's" tribulation, but God's judgment.

So will we all experience "God's Judgment" or will we, like Noah, be taken out before God pours out his wrath upon the earth?

I believe that the Church which exists today will be taken out before God pours out his judgment. We will then be united at the end of God's judgment with the believers in Christ who come to Christ and endure to the end of the Tribulation.

That's what I believe. I may be wrong. I've studied this issue in detail over the last 40 years, and I think that it makes more sense than believing that the Bride of Christ will go through the pouring out of the wrath of God upon the earth.

We will go through Satan's tribulation and many already have. The evil that we have here on earth is the tribulations caused by the adversary. The tribulation that will precede the coming of Christ is GOD's tribulation. Big difference.

75 posted on 07/08/2007 4:53:12 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; Iscool; blue-duncan; attiladhun2; D Rider
That is true, however the Tribulation spoken of in Revelation and Daniel is not "Satan's" tribulation, but God's judgment.

I believe both tribulations, or Satan's tribulation and God's judgment, which is a much better term, are both mentioned.

Rev.12:17 tells us: And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations
God gives Satan this power. It is part of His plan.
8.And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

This is the tribulation of Satan but most won't know it is a tribulation as it will be more like a big love fest. It is one of deceit and lies. He comes in prosperously and peacefully.

Daniel 11:21And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

"So will we all experience "God's Judgment" or will we, like Noah, be taken out before God pours out his wrath upon the earth?"

I believe that Noah, Daniel in the lion's den, the 3 Hebrew children in the furnace, the Hebrews in the Exodus, etc. are all our examples. We will not experience His wrath. We are His children and He loves us. I do believe we will be here, as those I mentioned were, but we will not be harmed.

"We will go through Satan's tribulation and many already have. The evil that we have here on earth is the tribulations caused by the adversary. The tribulation that will precede the coming of Christ is GOD's tribulation. Big difference."

Many do experience Satan's tribulation now but what he has coming will be much worse:

Rev.12:9.And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Mark 13, when Christ was telling His disciples about the end of days: 19.For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20.And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.

The affliction isn't as we normally think of it but is one of lies, and deceit to get us to follow him. To believe that he is Christ. That is his tribulation. God's judgment is after that and He judges those that followed Satan.

So, although I agree with you on some things, on that I must disagree. I believe He tells us that the tribulation that preceeds the coming of Christ is that of Satan, however he does it with God's permission.

94 posted on 07/09/2007 11:33:21 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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