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Protestants and the Pope
Westminster Writings (Westminster Seminary California ) ^ | July/August 2005 | W. Robert Godfrey

Posted on 07/10/2007 8:10:26 AM PDT by topcat54

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To: Alex Murphy

Really, there are threads that go back and forth about converts.

I have no problem with a Protestant being strong in his/her beliefs. However, when one brings those beliefs in to tell another that they are wrong, then it becomes a problem to me.

I know I’m probably an idiot but I’m just not sure that I know the absolute truth for anyone but me. I know what I think is right. Bible Christians know the Word of God and are confident enough to tell us we are wrong.

Catholics are only confident enough to tell you how we are right. It may not look it on the surface, but there is a big differece. We defend our position when told we are wrong, but personally I’m not bright enough to tell you how wrong your are. I pray and trust God to sort out the rest.


21 posted on 07/10/2007 9:58:14 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

In agreement with you:

1Corinthians 1
1Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,
2 To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, together with all those who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord* and ours:
3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

4 I give thanks to my* God always for you because of the grace of God that has been given you in Christ Jesus, 5for in every way you have been enriched in him, in speech and knowledge of every kind— 6just as the testimony of* Christ has been strengthened among you— 7so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ. 8He will also strengthen you to the end, so that you may be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9God is faithful; by him you were called into the fellowship of his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

10 Now I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,* by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you should be in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you should be united in the same mind and the same purpose. 11For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there are quarrels among you, my brothers and sisters.* 12What I mean is that each of you says, ‘I belong to Paul’, or ‘I belong to Apollos’, or ‘I belong to Cephas’, or ‘I belong to Christ.’ 13Has Christ been divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God* that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15so that no one can say that you were baptized in my name. 16(I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) 17For Christ did not send me to baptize but to proclaim the gospel, and not with eloquent wisdom, so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its power.

18 For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written,
‘I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.’
20Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, God decided, through the foolishness of our proclamation, to save those who believe. 22For Jews demand signs and Greeks desire wisdom, 23but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling-block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For God’s foolishness is wiser than human wisdom, and God’s weakness is stronger than human strength.

26 Consider your own call, brothers and sisters:* not many of you were wise by human standards,* not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28God chose what is low and despised in the world, things that are not, to reduce to nothing things that are, 29so that no one* might boast in the presence of God. 30He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31in order that, as it is written, ‘Let the one who boasts, boast in* the Lord.’


22 posted on 07/10/2007 9:58:25 AM PDT by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: netmilsmom

frankly i feel the evil one dances happily amoung the protestants rejoicing in how easily they’re faith is swayed... 20,000+ protestant schisms in 400ish years go to show his success...


23 posted on 07/10/2007 10:00:46 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

>>I HAVE BEGGED CATHOLIC BRETHEREN TO PRAY FOR REFORMED BRETHREN ON PRAYER THREADS WITH NO RESPONSE.<<

HUH?
Have you pinged the Catholics asking for these prayers?
Nyer, Salvation and Narses are pinging us constantly for prayers that cross Trussell’s lists. I know because I am on both. If you want the Catholic prayer lists to be pinged and can’t remember who holds the lists, PM me and I’ll pass it on.

Also, please understand that some of us don’t want to get kudos for praying. Personally, I won’t post in response to a Prayer request. I don’t want anyone to have to say “thanks” but that doesn’t mean that I’m not praying for you!

And God Bless your Mother!


24 posted on 07/10/2007 10:03:58 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: Terabitten

Not quite sure God elects the pope.


25 posted on 07/10/2007 10:04:51 AM PDT by twonie (Keep your guns - and stockpile ammo.)
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To: kawaii

I have to respectfully disagree.

I have known many Protestants who’s faith is much stronger than some Catholics. Remember, the people are not the leaders.

And don’t get me started on the Kumbaya Catholics!


26 posted on 07/10/2007 10:06:40 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: Scotswife

>>some going so far as to describing our pope as the antichrist.<<

Truth be told!
I have friends who recently converted from a big Bible church. They said that the backhanded insults of Catholics there was astounding.


27 posted on 07/10/2007 10:09:16 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

I’m Catholic and I have been on many prayer threads. I’ve never asked the religion of those for whom I pray. In fact, I consider it a privilege to pray for anyone who is in need. We are all children of God.


28 posted on 07/10/2007 10:10:13 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

THANKYOU AND BLESS YOU!

THE SINFULL NATURE IS ON BOTH SIDES!

LOOK AT MY PROFILE!

GODSPEED!


29 posted on 07/10/2007 10:14:00 AM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: netmilsmom

i’m not saying every protestant is the spawn of satan only that the organization they use to organize themselves is wide open to and has been successfully infiltrated by satan.

As for catholics, don’t get me started on catholics. ;p


30 posted on 07/10/2007 10:14:56 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: netmilsmom

“I have friends who recently converted from a big Bible church. They said that the backhanded insults of Catholics there was astounding.”

not surprising at all.
Which is why I find threads like this quite amusing.


31 posted on 07/10/2007 10:19:16 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: kawaii

>>As for catholics, don’t get me started on catholics. ;p<<

LOL! Amen!


32 posted on 07/10/2007 10:21:14 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

What a lovely church. We have many like it here in Massachusetts.


33 posted on 07/10/2007 10:21:39 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: kawaii
20,000+ protestant schisms in 400ish years go to show his success...

Can you show where your number comes from? You might want to read. 30,000 Demoninations? and the follow up article: 30,000 Demoninations Revisited

34 posted on 07/10/2007 10:26:55 AM PDT by lupie
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To: lupie

sounds like a biased attempt to force protestantism’s skeleton back into the closet to me.


35 posted on 07/10/2007 10:32:04 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii
...sounds like a biased attempt to force protestantism’s skeleton back into the closet to me.

Did you read both articles? Did you read any of them? Either way -- what is the reference for the number of Protestant demonimations? Where did it come from? I could easily say that your answer here was a biased attempt to force your skeleton's post back into the closet. I think it would be just as true.

36 posted on 07/10/2007 10:40:24 AM PDT by lupie
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To: lupie

i read enough to know it’s a joke, suggesting for instance that all lutherans are one faith in communion with eachother and beleiving the same things is a joke. the fact is protestants split with eachother on the smarmiest of whims formering at least 5 new churches weekly the world over.

why? with no Holy Spirit to guide them protestants easily fall sway to Satans wishes.


37 posted on 07/10/2007 10:44:41 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii
No, you didn't read it thoroughly, that is obvious. But again, I will ask you where you come up with the number of 20,000? In fact, IF you had read the article, you would have seen that the apoogists who use that number admit they are in error. You might want to really read through the article.

What is your source for the following comment that you say is fact?
"the fact is protestants split with eachother on the smarmiest of whims formering at least 5 new churches weekly the world over."

Can you prove that it is a fact? Just because you say so does not mean it is.

38 posted on 07/10/2007 10:49:39 AM PDT by lupie
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To: lupie

yeah that’s why everyone and their brother starts protestant churches, let’s face it you’ll are in such a massive disarray as to what scripture means you’re a single bible study from calling eachother heretics and finding another room to rent for your singing and reading classes.


39 posted on 07/10/2007 10:51:27 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: lupie; kawaii
Either way -- what is the reference for the number of Protestant demonimations? Where did it come from? I could easily say that your answer here was a biased attempt to force your skeleton's post back into the closet. I think it would be just as true.

See here - the source appears to be the "The World Christian Encyclopedia", in a claim that includes multiple Catholic and Orthodox organizations as part of it's "33,000 Christian (not just Protestant) denominations" finding.

...the major dilemma of this encyclopedia: the reader cannot tell what is being reported as an empirically derived fact or accepted by theological faith.

40 posted on 07/10/2007 10:52:07 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (As heard on the Amish Radio Network! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1675029/posts)
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