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Pope: Other Christians not true churches
AP ^ | July 11, 2007 | NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 07/10/2007 8:57:47 AM PDT by f150sound

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.

In the latest document — formulated as five questions and answers — the Vatican seeks to set the record straight on Vatican II's ecumenical intent, saying some contemporary theological interpretation had been "erroneous or ambiguous" and had prompted confusion and doubt.

It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, "Dominus Iesus," which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation."

"Christ 'established here on earth' only one church," the document said. The other communities "cannot be called 'churches' in the proper sense" because they do not have apostolic succession — the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ's original apostles.


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Basically reiterates non-Catholics not eligible for salvation. Well you can give this Pope one thing, he doesn't dither.
1 posted on 07/10/2007 8:57:48 AM PDT by f150sound
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To: f150sound

This should be a fun thread. Incoming!


2 posted on 07/10/2007 8:58:38 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: f150sound

Yeah well, let us know how the whole Pope-thing goes for you guys.


3 posted on 07/10/2007 8:59:26 AM PDT by ikka
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To: f150sound

And Protestant leaders don’t consider Catholics Christian. Ho hum.


4 posted on 07/10/2007 8:59:30 AM PDT by knittnmom (...surrounded by reality!)
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To: f150sound

Whatever.


5 posted on 07/10/2007 9:00:19 AM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: f150sound
Here's Popcorn!


6 posted on 07/10/2007 9:00:28 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: f150sound

I don’t recall Christ being picky as to what denomination his followers were...............


7 posted on 07/10/2007 9:00:39 AM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: f150sound

The roman catholic church has no room to talk, pedophiles amongst them, worshipping of one man ‘the pope’ being called ‘holy father’ is absurd. Anyone who knows the content of the Bible knows, that the ONLY Holy Father resides in heaven. Jesus taught not to worship idols. The catholic church has distorted many verses in the Bible to fit their own agenda. Besides, in the endtime, their cult, and hypocracy will be exposed.


8 posted on 07/10/2007 9:01:26 AM PDT by Inge C (,)
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To: The South Texan

Oh boy, here we go again...


9 posted on 07/10/2007 9:02:11 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk (No taxation without representation)
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To: Revolting cat!

I think we settled this issue a few centuries ago. Perhaps the Pope should worry more about the evil in his “church” in the form of sodomites and pedophiles. We know there is no salvation for them unless they repent.


10 posted on 07/10/2007 9:02:50 AM PDT by Patrick1
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To: 80 Square Miles

And everyone is entitled to his opinion.

As a Protestant, this doesn’t bother me one bit. The Pope holds no sway over me. Although various groups of Christians have whupped on each other in the distant past, it would seem that we have learned to stop trying to force our views on each other. Muslims are another story.


11 posted on 07/10/2007 9:02:54 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: f150sound

When he stands before the Lord on the last day and sees multitudes of “non-Roman Catholic” believers headed into Paradise, he will realize that he is not infallible.


12 posted on 07/10/2007 9:03:09 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: Inge C
hypocracy

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13 posted on 07/10/2007 9:03:21 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: 80 Square Miles
Nothing for nothing but did the Pope think this when Martin Luther was nailing the 95 thesis to the church doors as the Catholic church terrorized and ripped off their congregation?

While I practice Catholic (Italian-Irish wife would have it no other way), I will leave it up to my Lord Jesus Christ to judge me and whether I am worthy of salvation.

14 posted on 07/10/2007 9:03:36 AM PDT by never4get
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To: f150sound

I was born and raised Methodist. Not too long ago I realized how liberal they are. The Pope can list that denomination as defective as well.

APf


15 posted on 07/10/2007 9:03:52 AM PDT by APFel (Regnum Nostrum Crescit)
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To: f150sound

Before the flame wars start, remember this is AP, hardly a very credible source. Read the actual documents yourself before flaming away at each other.


16 posted on 07/10/2007 9:04:19 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: 80 Square Miles
"And Protestant leaders don’t consider Catholics Christian. Ho hum."

Most Protestant leaders (who are believers) don't think that your church defines you as a Christian or not... but whether you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

That's a hard concept for some to grasp.

17 posted on 07/10/2007 9:04:25 AM PDT by nctexan
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To: f150sound

That was a jerky thing to say.


18 posted on 07/10/2007 9:04:54 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: f150sound

Perhaps a Catholic scholar would help this Protestant understand. There is a passage in the Catechism of the Catholic Church that does state that other non-Catholic Christians can be received into heaven; if prodded I could produce the citation. How is that to be reconciled with today’s statement? Is the Pope changing the Catechism?


19 posted on 07/10/2007 9:05:12 AM PDT by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: f150sound

As a non-Catholic, I’m glad he says this. It is more honest and will lead to less confusion.


20 posted on 07/10/2007 9:05:34 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: f150sound

Everyone’s smarter than the Pope, that’s the most important thing!


21 posted on 07/10/2007 9:05:54 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: never4get
I will leave it up to my Lord Jesus Christ to judge me and whether I am worthy of salvation.

Which is, IMHO, the way it should be.

22 posted on 07/10/2007 9:06:07 AM PDT by knittnmom (...surrounded by reality!)
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To: f150sound; Admin Moderator

Shouldn’t this be in the Religion forum?


23 posted on 07/10/2007 9:06:17 AM PDT by grellis (Femininists for Fred!)
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To: Revolting cat!

The new super-crack drug they are selling on innercity streets. Hypo-cracky.


24 posted on 07/10/2007 9:06:26 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Inge C

Catholics do not worship the Pope.


25 posted on 07/10/2007 9:06:29 AM PDT by skimbell (Conservatism Works)
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To: f150sound

I guess Benedict hopes that sounding like the Muzzies will get him some attention. Just what we need now as we face Jihadis on the move - another round of Christian infighting. Of course, those who know history are perfectly aware that the only reason the Moslem conquests were successful to begin with was that the various Christian princes and bishops and rites were fighting among themselves and did not unite against Islam, rather all sorts of byzantine (well, that’s where the word comes from) twists and turns of pitting one group against another and allying with the muzzies made the Christian East and then the West vulnerable to the Arabs. Bah!


26 posted on 07/10/2007 9:06:49 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: f150sound

Martin Luther proved otherwise, in case he missed it.


27 posted on 07/10/2007 9:06:53 AM PDT by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: f150sound

Hardly a surprise since the Catholics were the ones who originally gave Martin Luther and the rest of us Protestants the name Protestant. “One who protests” is certainly fitting. The Catholic Church has been protestable over the centuries.


28 posted on 07/10/2007 9:07:24 AM PDT by MovementConservative (Terminate the Duke 88)
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To: grellis; Religion Moderator; Admin Moderator

This is already up in the Religion forum. This is going to end up like the long thread about the Latin Mass - bait for the Catholic bashers.


29 posted on 07/10/2007 9:07:30 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: f150sound
Basically reiterates non-Catholics not eligible for salvation

yeah, well as long as "Basically reiterates ..." means "Says nothing at all like ...".

There's an important distinction between saying this or that is the sho' 'nuff Church (or is "fully" the Church), and saying what will happen to the members of this or that group.

30 posted on 07/10/2007 9:07:50 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: f150sound

This thread should be interesting indeed. I wonder if the Pro-Jack Chick/Alberto Rivera crowd will come out of hiding for this one.


31 posted on 07/10/2007 9:08:14 AM PDT by pctech
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To: Revolting cat!

A hypocracy is a form of theocracy. Either that, or it’s a common misspelling on this forum.


32 posted on 07/10/2007 9:08:19 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: f150sound
Everyone is going to hell except us... Ho hum. The next thing you know, he will be asking for volunteers for a new Crusade! Could be very interesting.
33 posted on 07/10/2007 9:08:19 AM PDT by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: f150sound

Sounds like the Catholic Church and the Mormons have a lot in common. Hmm...


34 posted on 07/10/2007 9:08:21 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Inge C
worshipping of one man ‘the pope’

We don't 'worship' the Pope, but I'm sure you already knew that. We respect him as the successor of Peter who WAS chosen by Christ to shepherd His people, His 'church' on earth. Funny how THAT bit of scripture seems to be ignored sometimes.

35 posted on 07/10/2007 9:08:44 AM PDT by SuziQ (E)
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To: wideawake

Thought you may enjoy this thread.


36 posted on 07/10/2007 9:09:21 AM PDT by Borges
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To: f150sound

Where does it say in the Bible that the Pope has to wear that funny hat? Jesus Christ has saved me, whether the Pope thinks so or not is irrelevant.


37 posted on 07/10/2007 9:09:29 AM PDT by highimpact (Abortion - [n]: human sacrifice at the altar of convenience.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
As a non-Catholic, I’m glad he says this. It is more honest and will lead to less confusion. I agree with that. It's a private religion and has every right to restate its doctrine. Beyond that, I have no problem with Catholic teachings and not sure trying to unite all Christian faiths is a bad thing.
38 posted on 07/10/2007 9:09:45 AM PDT by f150sound
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To: f150sound

“Other Christians not true churches”, says the Popster...and many priests are not pedophiles....


40 posted on 07/10/2007 9:10:17 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Fairview
There is a passage in the Catechism of the Catholic Church that does state that other non-Catholic Christians can be received into heaven; if prodded I could produce the citation. How is that to be reconciled with today’s statement? Is the Pope changing the Catechism?

Of course not. He is re-iterating that other denominations are not "churches" as the term is properly understood by Catholic teaching.

But don't ask the Pope. Ask the Protestants themselves. Do they believe that their denomination re-presents the Sacrifice of Calvary and, by doing so, that this Sacrifice acts as the chanalle by which saving grace enters into our moment in space and time?

No, they don't.

Catholics do. That is what a "church" is. That's why Protestants do not have "churches." Now individual Protestans may be saved, but that is because of the grace brought into the world through the Mass.

41 posted on 07/10/2007 9:10:52 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: f150sound
Allow me to recommend an educational opportunity to everyone. Not only will they teach you the art of mixology there, but also the art of avoiding discussions of religion and politics. Really!


42 posted on 07/10/2007 9:11:09 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: APFel

I was a Free Methodist and while there are still pockets of the FMC that haven’t jumped on the liberal methodist bandwagon, here in Indiana they are almost as liberal as traditional methodists. That’s why I stopped attending.


43 posted on 07/10/2007 9:12:07 AM PDT by pctech
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

That is not an argument.


44 posted on 07/10/2007 9:12:14 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Red Badger
I don’t recall Christ being picky as to what denomination his followers were...............

Well, Catholics and everyone else would be out of luck if He did, since His followers were Jews!

45 posted on 07/10/2007 9:12:45 AM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: NYer
Can someone from your list confirm the verbatim statement? This does not sound like BXVI's statement to me, more like supermarket tabloid headline.

But after the nonsense about Macedonian "church" everything is possible.

46 posted on 07/10/2007 9:13:23 AM PDT by DTA
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To: f150sound

I would never rely on AP for correctly reporting on Catholic or Protestant.teaching. I will read the original which I am sure will say something quite different from what the article reports.


47 posted on 07/10/2007 9:13:28 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: 80 Square Miles
"And Protestant leaders don’t consider Catholics Christian. Ho hum."

Hell, Protestants don't consider some other Protestants real Christians. I've heard Church of Christ members talk about the evil of the Baptist Church, and vice versa. Most denominations exist because they think they're the One True Church.
48 posted on 07/10/2007 9:13:50 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: f150sound
Still, if the Church at Jerusalem (the first one) was the only True Church I'd say all Christians have a problem ~ that congregation had some real problems back in the First Century AD and didn't last all that long.

These Popes, all the time trying to stir 'em up ~ maybe the Jews should pray for him to be converted.

49 posted on 07/10/2007 9:14:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Pyro7480

Your right...It’s denial.


50 posted on 07/10/2007 9:14:14 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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