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Pope: Other Christians not true churches
AP ^ | July 11, 2007 | NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 07/10/2007 8:57:47 AM PDT by f150sound

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.

In the latest document — formulated as five questions and answers — the Vatican seeks to set the record straight on Vatican II's ecumenical intent, saying some contemporary theological interpretation had been "erroneous or ambiguous" and had prompted confusion and doubt.

It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, "Dominus Iesus," which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation."

"Christ 'established here on earth' only one church," the document said. The other communities "cannot be called 'churches' in the proper sense" because they do not have apostolic succession — the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ's original apostles.


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Basically reiterates non-Catholics not eligible for salvation. Well you can give this Pope one thing, he doesn't dither.
1 posted on 07/10/2007 8:57:48 AM PDT by f150sound
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To: f150sound

This should be a fun thread. Incoming!


2 posted on 07/10/2007 8:58:38 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: f150sound

Yeah well, let us know how the whole Pope-thing goes for you guys.


3 posted on 07/10/2007 8:59:26 AM PDT by ikka
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To: f150sound

And Protestant leaders don’t consider Catholics Christian. Ho hum.


4 posted on 07/10/2007 8:59:30 AM PDT by knittnmom (...surrounded by reality!)
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To: f150sound

Whatever.


5 posted on 07/10/2007 9:00:19 AM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: f150sound
Here's Popcorn!


6 posted on 07/10/2007 9:00:28 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: f150sound

I don’t recall Christ being picky as to what denomination his followers were...............


7 posted on 07/10/2007 9:00:39 AM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: f150sound

The roman catholic church has no room to talk, pedophiles amongst them, worshipping of one man ‘the pope’ being called ‘holy father’ is absurd. Anyone who knows the content of the Bible knows, that the ONLY Holy Father resides in heaven. Jesus taught not to worship idols. The catholic church has distorted many verses in the Bible to fit their own agenda. Besides, in the endtime, their cult, and hypocracy will be exposed.


8 posted on 07/10/2007 9:01:26 AM PDT by Inge C (,)
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To: The South Texan

Oh boy, here we go again...


9 posted on 07/10/2007 9:02:11 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk (No taxation without representation)
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To: Revolting cat!

I think we settled this issue a few centuries ago. Perhaps the Pope should worry more about the evil in his “church” in the form of sodomites and pedophiles. We know there is no salvation for them unless they repent.


10 posted on 07/10/2007 9:02:50 AM PDT by Patrick1
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To: 80 Square Miles

And everyone is entitled to his opinion.

As a Protestant, this doesn’t bother me one bit. The Pope holds no sway over me. Although various groups of Christians have whupped on each other in the distant past, it would seem that we have learned to stop trying to force our views on each other. Muslims are another story.


11 posted on 07/10/2007 9:02:54 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: f150sound

When he stands before the Lord on the last day and sees multitudes of “non-Roman Catholic” believers headed into Paradise, he will realize that he is not infallible.


12 posted on 07/10/2007 9:03:09 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: Inge C
hypocracy

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13 posted on 07/10/2007 9:03:21 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: 80 Square Miles
Nothing for nothing but did the Pope think this when Martin Luther was nailing the 95 thesis to the church doors as the Catholic church terrorized and ripped off their congregation?

While I practice Catholic (Italian-Irish wife would have it no other way), I will leave it up to my Lord Jesus Christ to judge me and whether I am worthy of salvation.

14 posted on 07/10/2007 9:03:36 AM PDT by never4get
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To: f150sound

I was born and raised Methodist. Not too long ago I realized how liberal they are. The Pope can list that denomination as defective as well.

APf


15 posted on 07/10/2007 9:03:52 AM PDT by APFel (Regnum Nostrum Crescit)
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To: f150sound

Before the flame wars start, remember this is AP, hardly a very credible source. Read the actual documents yourself before flaming away at each other.


16 posted on 07/10/2007 9:04:19 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: 80 Square Miles
"And Protestant leaders don’t consider Catholics Christian. Ho hum."

Most Protestant leaders (who are believers) don't think that your church defines you as a Christian or not... but whether you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

That's a hard concept for some to grasp.

17 posted on 07/10/2007 9:04:25 AM PDT by nctexan
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To: f150sound

That was a jerky thing to say.


18 posted on 07/10/2007 9:04:54 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: f150sound

Perhaps a Catholic scholar would help this Protestant understand. There is a passage in the Catechism of the Catholic Church that does state that other non-Catholic Christians can be received into heaven; if prodded I could produce the citation. How is that to be reconciled with today’s statement? Is the Pope changing the Catechism?


19 posted on 07/10/2007 9:05:12 AM PDT by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: f150sound

As a non-Catholic, I’m glad he says this. It is more honest and will lead to less confusion.


20 posted on 07/10/2007 9:05:34 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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