Skip to comments.Pope: Other Christians not true churches
Posted on 07/10/2007 8:57:47 AM PDT by f150sound
LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.
In the latest document formulated as five questions and answers the Vatican seeks to set the record straight on Vatican II's ecumenical intent, saying some contemporary theological interpretation had been "erroneous or ambiguous" and had prompted confusion and doubt.
It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, "Dominus Iesus," which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation."
"Christ 'established here on earth' only one church," the document said. The other communities "cannot be called 'churches' in the proper sense" because they do not have apostolic succession the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ's original apostles.
This should be a fun thread. Incoming!
Yeah well, let us know how the whole Pope-thing goes for you guys.
And Protestant leaders don’t consider Catholics Christian. Ho hum.
I don’t recall Christ being picky as to what denomination his followers were...............
The roman catholic church has no room to talk, pedophiles amongst them, worshipping of one man ‘the pope’ being called ‘holy father’ is absurd. Anyone who knows the content of the Bible knows, that the ONLY Holy Father resides in heaven. Jesus taught not to worship idols. The catholic church has distorted many verses in the Bible to fit their own agenda. Besides, in the endtime, their cult, and hypocracy will be exposed.
Oh boy, here we go again...
I think we settled this issue a few centuries ago. Perhaps the Pope should worry more about the evil in his “church” in the form of sodomites and pedophiles. We know there is no salvation for them unless they repent.
And everyone is entitled to his opinion.
As a Protestant, this doesn’t bother me one bit. The Pope holds no sway over me. Although various groups of Christians have whupped on each other in the distant past, it would seem that we have learned to stop trying to force our views on each other. Muslims are another story.
When he stands before the Lord on the last day and sees multitudes of “non-Roman Catholic” believers headed into Paradise, he will realize that he is not infallible.
While I practice Catholic (Italian-Irish wife would have it no other way), I will leave it up to my Lord Jesus Christ to judge me and whether I am worthy of salvation.
I was born and raised Methodist. Not too long ago I realized how liberal they are. The Pope can list that denomination as defective as well.
Before the flame wars start, remember this is AP, hardly a very credible source. Read the actual documents yourself before flaming away at each other.
Most Protestant leaders (who are believers) don't think that your church defines you as a Christian or not... but whether you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
That's a hard concept for some to grasp.
That was a jerky thing to say.
Perhaps a Catholic scholar would help this Protestant understand. There is a passage in the Catechism of the Catholic Church that does state that other non-Catholic Christians can be received into heaven; if prodded I could produce the citation. How is that to be reconciled with today’s statement? Is the Pope changing the Catechism?
As a non-Catholic, I’m glad he says this. It is more honest and will lead to less confusion.
Everyone’s smarter than the Pope, that’s the most important thing!
Which is, IMHO, the way it should be.
Shouldn’t this be in the Religion forum?
The new super-crack drug they are selling on innercity streets. Hypo-cracky.
Catholics do not worship the Pope.
I guess Benedict hopes that sounding like the Muzzies will get him some attention. Just what we need now as we face Jihadis on the move - another round of Christian infighting. Of course, those who know history are perfectly aware that the only reason the Moslem conquests were successful to begin with was that the various Christian princes and bishops and rites were fighting among themselves and did not unite against Islam, rather all sorts of byzantine (well, that’s where the word comes from) twists and turns of pitting one group against another and allying with the muzzies made the Christian East and then the West vulnerable to the Arabs. Bah!
Martin Luther proved otherwise, in case he missed it.
Hardly a surprise since the Catholics were the ones who originally gave Martin Luther and the rest of us Protestants the name Protestant. “One who protests” is certainly fitting. The Catholic Church has been protestable over the centuries.
This is already up in the Religion forum. This is going to end up like the long thread about the Latin Mass - bait for the Catholic bashers.
yeah, well as long as "Basically reiterates ..." means "Says nothing at all like ...".
There's an important distinction between saying this or that is the sho' 'nuff Church (or is "fully" the Church), and saying what will happen to the members of this or that group.
This thread should be interesting indeed. I wonder if the Pro-Jack Chick/Alberto Rivera crowd will come out of hiding for this one.
A hypocracy is a form of theocracy. Either that, or it’s a common misspelling on this forum.
Sounds like the Catholic Church and the Mormons have a lot in common. Hmm...
We don't 'worship' the Pope, but I'm sure you already knew that. We respect him as the successor of Peter who WAS chosen by Christ to shepherd His people, His 'church' on earth. Funny how THAT bit of scripture seems to be ignored sometimes.
Thought you may enjoy this thread.
Where does it say in the Bible that the Pope has to wear that funny hat? Jesus Christ has saved me, whether the Pope thinks so or not is irrelevant.
“Other Christians not true churches”, says the Popster...and many priests are not pedophiles....
Of course not. He is re-iterating that other denominations are not "churches" as the term is properly understood by Catholic teaching.
But don't ask the Pope. Ask the Protestants themselves. Do they believe that their denomination re-presents the Sacrifice of Calvary and, by doing so, that this Sacrifice acts as the chanalle by which saving grace enters into our moment in space and time?
No, they don't.
Catholics do. That is what a "church" is. That's why Protestants do not have "churches." Now individual Protestans may be saved, but that is because of the grace brought into the world through the Mass.
I was a Free Methodist and while there are still pockets of the FMC that haven’t jumped on the liberal methodist bandwagon, here in Indiana they are almost as liberal as traditional methodists. That’s why I stopped attending.
That is not an argument.
Well, Catholics and everyone else would be out of luck if He did, since His followers were Jews!
But after the nonsense about Macedonian "church" everything is possible.
I would never rely on AP for correctly reporting on Catholic or Protestant.teaching. I will read the original which I am sure will say something quite different from what the article reports.
These Popes, all the time trying to stir 'em up ~ maybe the Jews should pray for him to be converted.
Your right...It’s denial.