Posted on 07/17/2007 2:05:50 PM PDT by baa39
Just got off the phone with Cardinal Roger Mahony. Below are my notes from the conversation. (snip) What about the charge that the problem is a lack of discipline and orthodoxy in the seminaries?
Well, first of all that's one of the things that we still are studying. As you know, the bishops are conducting a study of causes.... In our case, many of the priests came out of the "good old days" -- Latin-only, cassocks-only.... Most of our cases did not come out of post-Vatican II, they came out of pre-Vatican II.
Of course today, our screening process, our evaluation process, the fact that we take in older men, we don't take in guys out of high school or even grammar school -- it's a whole different frame of reference for the process of choosing seminarians. There's psychological evaluation, constant monitoring. We do everything we can to make sure that the people being ordained don't have a problem.
On why he didn't call the police when he learned of abuses:
Unfortunately, in those times we just didn't do that as readily, we didn't understand the depth of the problem.... The McMartin trial was first time in the state of California that this whole issue came into the spotlight, into the light of day...
(Excerpt) Read more at insidesocal.com ...
So are you pulling it?
If there were no “gay” priests there would be very few child molesting problems in the church. They Boy Scouts did it right.
When I went to High School in Michigan in the early 1990s there was a flamboyantly gay teacher at the school: Think Paul Lind. I was absolutely shocked to discover a couple of years ago that he is now a Catholic priest.
seems part of the problem was the false secular notion that homosexuality was somehow normal and the sexual abuse inherent in that behavor was abnormal.
It was a classic demonstration of Liberalism trying to conceal their errors on the graves of the victims.
It’s important to make some distinctions about “the church” and what particular “hierarchy” you mean. This is a global institution with billions of members. I can go along with you that many members of the American hierarchy are culpable, and that there are a few long-standing fag-friendly people in the Curia, but Pope John Paul was just as shocked over the discoveries as anyone. Particular people did very evil things, the actions and the cover-ups. Mahony is one of the most grevious offenders in cover-ups from private documnets I’ve seen, which is why he had to get himself out of testifying. However, there was no church-wide conspiracy to protect the abusers, but yes, there were smaller conspiracies within the Church, the USCCB, and in certain dicasteries, religious orders (and still are).
Unfortunately, [his word], the depth of the problem is himself. Somewhere under all of this are the psychologists who took money claiming they successfully treated those placed in their care and pronounced them fit to return to normal duties.
The fact that the [apparently corrupt and] incompetent MA State AG allowed Bunny Law to flee to the state for the Vatican might have had something to do with it.
(Then, the Vatican gives Bunny a cushy and prestigious job, allowing him to officiate at one of the funeral events for JPII...)
Again, this is not correct.
Anyone who is attracted to the same sex is homosexual by nature. Age is not important. If you are a guy and you are attracted to men, you are a homosexual. If you are attracted to younger males, you are a homosexual AND a pedophile, a homosexual pedophile.
finally, once again in case you don’t all get it:
Same Sex attraction -—> Homosexual
Attracted to children ——> Pedophile
Same sex attraction to children ——> Homosexual Pedophile.
Man you guys suck all the APA crap trying to make age a factor in determining what’s homosexual and what’s pedophilia. “Age over 18” or whatever arbitrary age you set has never been the way homosexuality has been defined. If you have sex or are attracted to the same sex you are, you are by definition, homosexual. Regardless of age. The very fact you are attracted to others of your gender by its nature make you a homosexual. Age only factors in if you’re ALSO a pedophile. Just like if you like to have sex with the same sex but they’re dead. You’re still a homosexual, but you’re also a Necrophile.
Man folks, use common sense. The argument you’re fallign for was made by homosexuals to try to take the heat off of them. Homosexuality has to do with same sex attraction; pedophilia deals with whether or not you’re attracted to children.
Well I'm 81 and was also in a Catholic orphanage in NYC and was taught by Christian Brothers before my parents died. I have absolutely no such experience either with the Brothers or the orphanage. The teaching, care and treatment were outstanding. Sorry about your story but it was unique.
With regard to the payment of the $660 million, where will the money come from?
Will every diocese be secretly assesed to make contributions to this law suit?
How much money will be taken from Catholic Charities?
“From your original site I found one reply that I agree with:
“the overwhelming issue is homosexuals in the priesthood, not pedophilia!
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman, Concerned Roman Catholics of America,Inc””
Respectfully, I have to disagree and point out that had the priests kept their homosexuality to themselves, and their hands (and other body parts) away from the boys, the matter would have remained strictly between the homosexual priest and G*d.
The issue is the overt behavior, not the sexual orientation, per se.
“This is simply evil...”
Not making any judgment about the state of his soul, but I do wonder what god he is worshipping.
Malachi Martin may have been on target.
But homosexuals are notoriously promiscuous. There are all those psychological studies that show lesbians are most loyal, then married women, then married men, then single women, etc, etc. It seems the nature of being a gay man is that you act out your sexual perversion. It is a perversion, not just an orientation, which causes them to be overly identified with their sexuality. You put homosexuals together, they are not going to remain chaste. And just like men who are perverts, they also don’t respect an abstract boundary like age 18 or 21.
This guy needs to be hosed, now.
Phony Mahony needs to be dismissed from the clerical state and forced to fend for himself for the rest of his life.
We MUST speak out. The problem started because people thought the way you did. They get a visit by the Bishop promising the offending priest would not do it again, and the faithful believed them. The families believed the bishop, and that was a mistake. The bishops were more concerned with keeping it hush-hush versus fixing the problem. God's will was the least of their concerns.
Sorry, but you can’t blame this on any secular notion. This has been going on for many years before the “homosexuality is normal” movement we see today.
Just got back on line. Glad you posted this.
Just got back on line. Glad you posted this.
Phil Lawler at CWN seems to agree with you:
(Mahony should resign...)
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=52421
Hi, thanks, I usually don’t post things, I wait for the Catholic ping-list leaders, like you and others, to decide what should go up, but the Cardinal’s words are just too offensive not to be made known.
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