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Cardinal Speaks (Mahony blames abuse crisis on Pre-Vatican II type priests, Latin and cassocks!)
Friendy Fire Daily News Opinion Blog ^ | July 16, 2007 | Chris Weinkopf

Posted on 07/17/2007 2:05:50 PM PDT by baa39

Just got off the phone with Cardinal Roger Mahony. Below are my notes from the conversation. (snip) What about the charge that the problem is a lack of discipline and orthodoxy in the seminaries?

Well, first of all that's one of the things that we still are studying. As you know, the bishops are conducting a study of causes.... In our case, many of the priests came out of the "good old days" -- Latin-only, cassocks-only.... Most of our cases did not come out of post-Vatican II, they came out of pre-Vatican II.

Of course today, our screening process, our evaluation process, the fact that we take in older men, we don't take in guys out of high school or even grammar school -- it's a whole different frame of reference for the process of choosing seminarians. There's psychological evaluation, constant monitoring. We do everything we can to make sure that the people being ordained don't have a problem.

On why he didn't call the police when he learned of abuses:

Unfortunately, in those times we just didn't do that as readily, we didn't understand the depth of the problem.... The McMartin trial was first time in the state of California that this whole issue came into the spotlight, into the light of day...

(Excerpt) Read more at insidesocal.com ...


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To: GladesGuru

Maybe some homosexual advocates will disagree BUT sexual deviant behavior like pedophilia is higher among those with homosexual tendencies than among the normal hetero community.

I am sure homosexual advocates will disagree but the liberal argument that they are the same since they are celibate (homo oriented vs. hetero oriented priests) is what led to the ordination of the first category and from that category almost all of these problems have come about.

Again sorry to the gay advocates on this thread but homosexuals are more prone to almost any mental disorder you can think of (in this case pedophilia) as well as most other disorders as well.

But maybe some will argue: “Well they assaulted young BOYS therefore they are not homosexuals” or some other really interesting argument like that. Sorry I don’t agree.

But I made a vow not to get involved with threads about religion or the Catholic Church so don’t think because I don’t respond that you’ve won ;->


41 posted on 07/17/2007 4:24:39 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: pgkdan
as to selling the cathedral...who in the wrold would buy that monstrosity??? It's the ugliest building I've ever seen!

The land under it is valuable. Consider the cathedral a tear-down. Not unheard of in LA.

42 posted on 07/17/2007 4:41:55 PM PDT by Argus
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43 posted on 07/17/2007 4:45:50 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: baa39

Typical phony Mahony baloney.


44 posted on 07/17/2007 4:46:29 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: Salvation

Boot Mahoney!


45 posted on 07/17/2007 4:48:13 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: steadfastconservative

PING! I direct you to this thread, sir.


46 posted on 07/17/2007 5:29:39 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: baa39

Phony Mahony will never resign that is why Benedict XVI needs to fire him. He has violated enough Canons to warrant his termination.


47 posted on 07/17/2007 5:45:34 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: SevenofNine

48 posted on 07/17/2007 5:48:35 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: baa39

3 years, 7 months, and 9 more days


49 posted on 07/17/2007 6:11:26 PM PDT by Nihil Obstat (Kyrie Eleison)
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To: Argus

That is exactly it, Argus! He could sell the Taj Mahoney, pay HIS debts, and then LEAVE. It would not be a moment too soon for me.


50 posted on 07/17/2007 6:14:34 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: monkapotamus

a picture worth a thousand words!


51 posted on 07/17/2007 7:05:04 PM PDT by baa39 (Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us. Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.)
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To: Nihil Obstat

Counting down like that, I imagine you are one of the unfortunate faithful to live in his Archdiocese? I hope you’re wishes (and no doubt prayers) are promptly fulfilled; it’s common for bishops to wait until almost just before their 76th birthdays to officially submit the resignation, and then it can take months or years to name the replacement. However in this case I would imagine the Holy Father is personally involved in making a short list of candidates already.


52 posted on 07/17/2007 7:09:51 PM PDT by baa39 (Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us. Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.)
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To: baa39
Cardinal Ma-ho-ney, I cannot wait until you turn 75 and can step down. Then the Pope can appoint a truly good and holy man to be the next spiritual leader LA Archdiocese badly needs.

Oh, and another thing, the Our Lady of the Angels Cathredral is simply no church building. Even the soon to be open Carbela’s in my hometown will look a whole lot better.

53 posted on 07/17/2007 7:24:28 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: baa39
I think in this case the Pope may give Cardinal Mahoney a gentle nudge to get him going in the direction of retirment.
54 posted on 07/17/2007 7:27:11 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: bboop

That Taj Mahoney was a hugh mistake. Does not look like a church at all.


55 posted on 07/17/2007 7:28:42 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Church rules says he has no choice, 75 is stepping down time.


56 posted on 07/17/2007 7:29:52 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: baa39

If there are potholes on the road to Hell, not to worry: Mahony can’t live forever, and his skull will be available soon enough.

***SPIT***


57 posted on 07/17/2007 7:32:28 PM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: monkapotamus

MONK that wrong dude LOL!

NOT COOL least Baghdad Bob he lie for Iraqi govt LOL!

I seem resemlence


58 posted on 07/17/2007 7:34:37 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: SengirV
The problem was that established hierarchy in the church wanted to only hush

No, the problem is sin. The problem is hypocracy. It is inexcusable that clergy fail to see it as it is and condemn it for what it is. Not a euphemism. Not propound a lie to excuse the inexcusable. It magnifies the churches negligence. Jesus never shyed away from calling it the way it was. Hypocrites,sepulcres full of dead mens bones. Get on your knees and in the closet and get right with God.

59 posted on 07/17/2007 7:36:17 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Argus
At least when my home Archdiocese’s cathredral was being rebuilt after the old one was distroyed by a major fire, there was common sense to at least make it look like cathredral in the modern sense.

Here is the URL:

http://archdioceseofhartford.org/cathedral.htm

60 posted on 07/17/2007 7:38:52 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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