Posted on 07/18/2007 1:48:09 PM PDT by topcat54
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The most-often posted numbers of "Protestant" abuse are two Catholic-run websites. They provide a deeply biased, an apples vs oranges comparison using all manner of non-Catholic groups, as opposed to the Catholic church's own numbers as provided by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. If one isolates the cases actually committed by clergy out of the above "Protestant" articles, and then compares like-for-like with the numbers provided in the U.S. Catholic Bishops' "John Jay" study, it can be demonstrated that there are approximately four times as many Catholic priests and clergy who are sexually abusive, than the number of "Protestant" pastors guilty of the same. And if you isolate out the Reformed Protestant denominations from those other articles, the number of "Protestant" abuse cases statistically drops off the chart by comparison.
I'm not saying that either set of statistics are inaccurate or deliberately falsified. I'm just saying that the Catholic-provided numbers of "Protestant" cases, if accepted at face value and if I've understood them properly, paint a far worse picture on the Catholic side than most Catholics are probably aware of.
I just made some popcorn and I’m going to sit in the corner and watch you be ripped apart. Sorry. On another thread, I made a comment about apologizing for all the murders condoned by the church and only narrowly escaped with my life.
The post you linked to did not cite two "Catholic-run websites". One citation was to an article from the Christian Science Monitor, which is not remotely Catholic.
approximately four times as many Catholic priests and clergy who are sexually abusive, than the number of "Protestant" pastors guilty of the same
The relevant statistic would be the percentage, not the raw number.
Phillip Jenkins is not a "Catholic-run website"; he's a professor of comparative religion at Penn State. His book concluded that the percentage of abusers was essentially the same in every denomination.
Supposedly in the 60s the current Pope said “the smoke of Satan” has entered the Catholic Church - he was almost right - it was “the pole smokers of Stan” !!!
On that point you are correct, and I will correct the statement on future posts. It is, however, the CSM piece that paints the bleakest picture for the Catholic Church once you compare apples to apples with the John Jay study. The presentation is cooked with a bias towards the Catholic Church - I can't tell if it's the author, or the actual study that serves up the anti-Protestant bias. Getting perfect scores in my Masters-level Statistics courses taught me to spot statistical slight-of-hand, and they're all over the CSM piece. That's the reason I previously stated the CSM piece was Catholic propaganda, and if it's not, it's certainly being used as ammo.
The homosexual lobby is so powerful and intimidating that almost no one wants to suffer from its unbridled wrath. So for cover, the priests are charged with pedophilia in order to hide the fact that homosexuality is the real culprit.
Yep. Just ask Mike Ovitz and Isaiah Washington.
if I've understood them properly
Therein lies the problem. You don't understand.
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Please stop making personal comments. Discuss the topic and not the poster.
Of course, DeMar wears his ignorance of both Scripture and the history of Christendom on his sleeve.
That's absurd. When the Presbyterians or the Lutherans or the Methodists in Los Angeles pay out $774 million to settle sexual molestation lawsuits, then you might have a point.
There are plenty of Roman Catholics on this forum rightly castigating these licentious, sociopathic priests who don't feel compelled to resort to the lame and fraudulent excuse that "everyone does it."
Everyone doesn't do it.
If you buy some official wafers and put them on top of your TV and played the video, would you get a real transubstantiation?
How would you know?
Stan who?
“The data on the Protestant clergy tend to focus on sexual abuse in general, not on sexual abuse of children. Thus, strict comparisons cannot always be made. But there are some comparative data available on the subject of child sexual molestation, and what has been reported is quite revealing.
In a 1984 survey, 38.6 percent of ministers reported sexual contact with a church member, and 76 percent knew of another minister who had had sexual intercourse with a parishioner.[xiii] In the same year, a Fuller Seminary survey of 1,200 ministers found that 20 percent of theologically “conservative” pastors admitted to some sexual contact outside of marriage with a church member. The figure jumped to over 40 percent for “moderates”; 50 percent of “liberal” pastors confessed to similar behavior.[xiv]
In 1990, in a study by the Park Ridge Center for the Study of Health, Faith and Ethics in Chicago, it was learned that 10 percent of ministers said they had had an affair with a parishioner and about 25 percent admitted some sexual contact with a parishioner.[xv] Two years later, a survey by Leadership magazine found that 37 percent of ministers confessed to having been involved in “inappropriate sexual behavior” with a parishioner.[xvi]
In a 1993 survey by the Journal of Pastoral Care, 14 percent of Southern Baptist ministers said they had engaged in “inappropriate sexual behavior,” and 70 percent said they knew a minister who had had such contact with a parishioner.[xvii] Joe E. Trull is co-author of the 1993 book, Ministerial Ethics, and he found that “from 30 to 35 percent of ministers of all denominations admit to having sexual relationships—from inappropriate touching to sexual intercourse—outside of marriage.”[xviii]
According to a 2000 report to the Baptist General Convention in Texas, “The incidence of sexual abuse by clergy has reached ‘horrific proportions.’” It noted that in studies done in the 1980s, 12 percent of ministers had “engaged in sexual intercourse with members” and nearly 40 percent had “acknowledged sexually inappropriate behavior.” The report concluded that “The disturbing aspect of all research is that the rate of incidence for clergy exceeds the client-professional rate for physicians and psychologists.”[xix] Regarding pornography and sexual addiction, a national survey disclosed that about 20 percent of all ministers are involved in the behavior.[xx]
In the spring of 2002, when the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church was receiving unprecedented attention, the Christian Science Monitor reported on the results of national surveys by Christian Ministry Resources. The conclusion: “Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant, and most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church volunteers.”[xxi]
Finally, in the authoritative work by Penn State professor Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests, it was determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles. The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent.[xxii]”
SEXUAL ABUSE IN SOCIAL CONTEXT:
CATHOLIC CLERGY AND OTHER PROFESSIONALS
Special Report
by
Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights
February 2004
This is a stunning admission.
LOLOL. Those are the most absurd, unsubstantiated lies I've ever read on this forum.
The RCC can just keep telling themselves these lies and insisting "everybody does it" and the sexual molestation and homosexual activity within the RCC clergy will continue.
Nothing's stopped it so far.
ROTFLOL.
And 35% were abducted as children by Venusian spaceships.
it was determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles. The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent.
We really have to remember this post because this ludicrous garbage is what the RCC is telling its members.
With lies like this which blithely dismiss the grave and specific sins of the RCC clergy, no children is safe under its roof.
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