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To: kosta50; xzins; adiaireton8; kawaii; Kolokotronis; Claud; Petrosius

13 posted on 07/22/2007 8:47:05 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

Oops, strike that reference to Jehovah’s witnesses.


15 posted on 07/22/2007 8:57:08 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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funny then how they chose Lutheran and not Christian.


28 posted on 07/23/2007 4:22:42 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; adiaireton8; kawaii; Kolokotronis; Claud; Petrosius
If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded Chirst. If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by Christ. If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by Christ...If you are..."Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion was founded by Christ

Nice try, PM.  You forgot the Gnostics. Notice how you altered the argument and snuck in "your rleigion" instead of the "your church." Obviousy any congregation that believes in Jesus as some form of deity can say that its religion was founded by Christ, although you clevery exclude LDS and Christian Scientists, but include Jehovah's Witnesses (who deny Holy Trinity). Lord have mercy!

Do LDS not claim that Jesus is their Savior (Christ)? So, by what authority do you exclude them? Is Protestantism not the ultimate in church-creation based on individual "understanding" of the Bible, with each person being his/her own "pope?" Is this not the ultimate in narcissism? Is denying the combined widsomm of the Church and reinterpreting everything according to one's own fancy not the ultimate in arrogance and pride?

Changing church for religion doesn't change the fact that God gave His Church to His Apsotles in 33 AD, that He gave them the keys to bind and loosen, and that they bound others to carry in their steps ever since then. That authority was not arrogated to others at they wished. So, those who assume that authority do so on their own and cannot claim that it comes from Christ.

97 posted on 07/23/2007 8:48:04 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: P-Marlowe
Did He come down from heaven and become incarnate again in each of those years? Or did He did He allegedly come down *spiritually*, as claimed the Montanist heretics, and Joseph Smith?

-A8

174 posted on 07/23/2007 11:24:40 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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Then, based on you rewriting of the post, you undoubtedly think that Jesus is the Author of Confusion. For it is certain that, in the wide spectrum of beliefs you cite, there are essential differences that put to lie the idea that God can BE the Way the Truth and the Life, and His Church can BE the “pillar and ground of the Truth.” He founded all of these denominations, according to you, without regard for having even one essential doctrine agreed upon by all on your list. “Jesus is God/No, He’s only a creature” is but the first of a multitude of contradictions found between the various denominational combinations in your list.

Some God your Jesus is! Mine established THE Truth in His Church, not a multiplicity of mutually contradictory belief systems in a surfeit of man-made denominations.

If you cannot understand that the Church is meant to be a visible, hierarchical structure set in place both to have visibility and create unity of belief, as opposed to merely being an umbrella for “all believers” with no regard for unity of belief, then no one can help you. You’re on your own. Claiming that all of these mutually opposed denominations are all founded by Christ doesn’t get you off to a good start in discernment of essentials. That is Exhibit A for the need for unified, structured, creed-based Christianity, tracing its origin and history organically to Pentecost.


245 posted on 07/23/2007 3:00:31 PM PDT by magisterium
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