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To: irishtenor; MarkBsnr
As you see it. I will not argue with you about something you haven’t experienced

Look, I have no problem with you believing whatever it is that you experience. We (the Apostolic Church) do not believe what you (Protestant Calvinists) believe.

Your side claims that everything man does is God's will. To me, that sounds like putting everying we do (good or evil) in God's lap.

Now that we know what we believe, what's there to argue about? But, if by "argument" you suggest that you are right and we are wrong, or that somehow we both state unreasonable claims, I say prove it!

Since I don't claim being captive or led, I have nothing to prove. Your side, on the other hand, claims the indwelling Holy Spirit leading you to sanctification.

Tell me, is it an infallible knowledge the Calvinsits claim? Or is it possible that what appears to be the Holy Spirit might be indwelling Satan disguised as the Angel of Light? If so, how would you know (since you would be deceived)?

I find it interesting if not amusing that the Reformed deny the Holy Spirit working through sacraments in His Church, yet claim with absolute certainty the Holy Spirit working in them!

They so readily question the infallibility of the Church and its Councils, yet claim with complete conviction that they infallibly know what indwells them is the Holy Spirit and not demons.

As Mark observed: it is this kind of hidden, personal knoweldge that makes Calvinism at its core totally Gnostic.

13,105 posted on 01/30/2008 1:14:26 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; Gamecock; Forest Keeper; xzins

If asked, how would you PROVE the existence of God? How do you know he exists at all and not a figment of your churches imagination to keep you in line? How do you prove the existence of Siberia, unless you’ve been there? You have to take the word of those who have, or disbelieve everything. A lot of this is FAITH. Faith in what is NOT seen. Trying to explain faith to someone who has never experience it is like trying to explain green to a blind man.

I guess what I am saying is that I feel sorry for you because you do not have the faith to believe in God. You believe in your church and what it says about God, you believe in the Fathers of the church and what they say about God, but I am really having a hard time understanding how you can put so much belief in them and not the book that God says he wrote. Both of my examples turn to the Bible as their source, and yet you deny it.


13,109 posted on 01/30/2008 5:13:44 PM PST by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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