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Women Anointed Catholic Deacons, Priest in Santa Barbara CA
Independent ^ | July 26, 2007 | Martha Sadler

Posted on 07/27/2007 11:23:09 AM PDT by NYer

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To: bronx2; NYer
Thanks!

NYer, bronx2 notes that the scene of the crime is La Casa de Maria in Santa Barbara! Their own website is here.

The mission of La Casa de Maria is to provide, through its programs and environment, a nourishing place of peace where persons of all faiths can search for truth, engage in dialogue, experience personal growth, realize their self worth, embrace the sacred, then refreshed and renewed, participate more responsibly in the creation of a just and peaceful world, and a whole and healthful earth.

101 posted on 07/29/2007 12:04:32 AM PDT by maryz
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To: bronx2; maryz
The “ceremony” was conducted at La Casa de Maria, a facility operated by former IHM women, who renounced their affiliation to the RCC in the 1970’s.

Okay .... that would explain the Stations of the Cross on the walls. And, BTW ...

Welcome to Free Republic!

102 posted on 07/29/2007 5:00:08 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: marsh_of_mists
Anyone want to place any bets? Put me in for 60 on Gumbleton.

LOL! I have no idea how those on-line betting sites work, the ones where people are always quoting odds given for candidates . . . and I suppose it would be cheeky to set one up for this . . . ;-)

103 posted on 07/29/2007 6:09:50 AM PDT by maryz
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To: bronx2

Yes, welcome to FR! I seldom bother to check the date someone signed up or I would have welcomed you at first!


104 posted on 07/29/2007 6:11:20 AM PDT by maryz
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“’Priesthood,’ added [Victoria] Rue, ‘is about leadership within the community.’ There are many types of ministries to which people are called, she said, concluding, ‘I feel called to the ministry of the liturgy,’ which she described as communal worship.”

Such so-called ordinations of women are a consequence of the abandonment of the ad orientem posture, and replacing it with the versus populum posture, in the celebration of the Mass.

“It is no surprise that a liturgy set within this Enlightenment context, which at once accentuates the people and invites the priest to become a ‘presider’ over this people’s republic, cultivates a distinctive celebrity ethos, the aura of the politician who, in modernity, is not so much a moral agent as an amoral actor. The presider or president is the center of attention and must act and react accordingly; he is, more than ever, the man in charge, the holy politico. Acording to Cardinal Ratzinger, the feminist clamor for women’s ordination could only have occurred after the lowering and lessening of the priestly office to a vehicle of community power. . . .
“When this liturgy [the old rite, which “stresses the unworthiness of the priest himself” and “asks of the priest a self-abegnation out of obedience to the law of the liturgy”] formed the minds and hearts of the faithful, there was hardly a whimper about the ‘need’ for women priests. Could one have then coveted the priesthood as though it were a position of merely human authority, a matter of facilitating a simple ritual action, as it now appears to be on the account of the new liturgy?”

Ms. Rue’s comments confirm the premise of the above-quoted article; she views the priesthood as leadership in communal worship, not as offering sacrifice “in persona Christi capitis (in the person of Christ the Head).”

[Source: Postgate, Nicholas. “A Rite Histrionic and Distorted,” The Latin Mass, Winter 2007, pp 34-39.]


105 posted on 07/29/2007 6:51:56 AM PDT by Serviam1
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To: Serviam1
I take it the whole article isn't on the internet or you'd have linked it?

Anyway, I googled Victoria Rue and came up with Roman Catholic Womenpriests [sic]. I looked a bit through the site. One picture stopped me in my tracks -- it looks like Ladies' Night at Joe's Bar & Grill:

And they looked sloshed!

106 posted on 07/29/2007 7:22:15 AM PDT by maryz
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To: NYer

I am not sure if I am more offended by the sale of the baptismal font or the insults to Mother Angelica. I heard the wife of a deacon here insult the Virgin Mary in much the same way.


107 posted on 07/29/2007 8:16:13 AM PDT by tioga (Duncan Hunter for President.)
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To: maryz

LOL - good find. Cocktail hour at the convent?


108 posted on 07/29/2007 8:20:37 AM PDT by tioga (Duncan Hunter for President.)
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One of the women asked "Who?" I repeated Mother's name, followed by EWTN - the Catholic television channel. "Oh ... that kook!", was her reaction, "never liked her."

I heard the wife of a deacon here insult the Virgin Mary in much the same way.

She called the Virgin Mary a kook?
109 posted on 07/29/2007 8:58:02 AM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: marsh_of_mists
LOL, no. Here they consider the Pope old school (ie old fool) and disregard Catholic traditions such as our respect for the Virgin Mary. I doubt she owns a set of rosary beads.

During a day long retreat, we were having a discussion of “women of the Bible”, the theme of the day, and Mary didn’t even bear mentioning. I did mention her and what I got was a blunt dismissal of her altogether. The nun leading the retreat dismissed Mary and the deacon’s wife took it upon herself to add to that privately.

I give her a wide berth along with her deacon husband now.

110 posted on 07/29/2007 10:03:21 AM PDT by tioga (Duncan Hunter for President.)
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I almost get the impression they would have had more respect for Mary if she had said to Gabriel..”no way!!”

Of course...then we wouldn’t have had a bible with women in it to have discussions about.


111 posted on 07/29/2007 11:36:37 AM PDT by Scotswife
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