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The Rhythm Mystery Revealed
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| August 2, 2007
| Jeffrey Tucker
Posted on 08/02/2007 8:55:07 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
The Rhythm Mystery Revealed
posted by Jeffrey Tucker
At last, at last, I'm pleased to announce that there is a source for understanding the old-style Solesmes approach to rhythm:
The Rhythm of Plainsong by Dom Gajard (1943).
This marvelous book strikes me as the best overall defense of the Mocquereau approach to the rhythm of Gregorian chant, with Gajard clearly explaining, in non-technical terms, what is historical, what is deduced from musical understanding, and what is pure speculation.
He makes an amazingly persuasive case! Indeed, it strikes me that he settles the issue, and I'm just sad that it has been unavailable for many decades. In any case, it is back so at last we have a clear defense of the way the sacred music colloquium has been teaching chant now for many years. This is also the way most monasteries in the world sing it, save a few that have experimented around with alternative theories.
I don't need to say this, but it is clearly the answer to the view that chant has no inherent rhythm and must sung as if it were entirely text driven. I can imagine that one reading of this will set semiologists to rethink their position.
Print and read it if you can. It is nothing short of thrilling. And thank you Scott Turkington for pushing me to find this long-lost treasure!
TOPICS: Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: gregorianchant; method; tridentine
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Marvelous comments on the rhythm of Chant.
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posted on
08/02/2007 8:57:56 AM PDT
by
Frank Sheed
(Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
To: Frank Sheed
I thought this was going to be an article about Roman Catholic birth control!
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posted on
08/02/2007 9:10:18 AM PDT
by
FormerLib
(Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
To: FormerLib
I want to check the number of “views” with the number of “responses.” I bet the ratio is 1,000:1.
F
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posted on
08/02/2007 9:13:24 AM PDT
by
Frank Sheed
(Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
To: FormerLib; Frank Sheed
Ha ha. Me too! Especially as it was a ping from Frank Sheed!I need another cup of coffee.
To: FormerLib; Frank Sheed
I thought this was going to be an article about Roman Catholic birth control! Me too... I was thinking "didn't they stop using that years ago?"
This is good news... I think I'm going to have to print this out and give it a read. I'm hoping that some of my fellow seminarians are interested; I'll be going up in the fall.
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posted on
08/02/2007 9:39:34 AM PDT
by
GCC Catholic
(Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
To: FormerLib
From the title, I first thought it was a comparative study of dancing proclivities b/w races...
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posted on
08/02/2007 9:53:28 AM PDT
by
mikrofon
(Catholic BUMP)
PUH-LEESE! I can’t change the title of articles or the Mod gets upset!
Gee whiz!
F
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posted on
08/02/2007 9:59:07 AM PDT
by
Frank Sheed
(Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
To: Frank Sheed
I really,
really tried to read it! But I'm not musical by nature -- I can't sing (so anyone else would want to listen) and I've never had any musical training beyond what little they taught in grammar school.
Do you want to sum it up so a musical illiterate can understand? I do know other stuff -- like that Old English poetry can sound as if it has no rhythm to the modern ear. The metrics familiar to us were basically borrowed, first from French later in the Middle Ages. And I know that chant is descended from synagogue chant -- I've read that the Gloria XV is an especially striking example. I just don't get much out of reading about music. :(
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posted on
08/02/2007 10:42:59 AM PDT
by
maryz
To: Frank Sheed
Put me on the ping list. Can the word ever be heard without the voice? If it is somehow buried in the soul and raises up of it’s own volition? Through music, perhaps?
To: Blind Eye Jones; sitetest
I’m waiting for sitetest to get his musical mavens over here.
No, Mass without glorious music is lacking a totally vital component for praising God, IMHO.
F
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posted on
08/02/2007 12:25:49 PM PDT
by
Frank Sheed
(Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
To: Frank Sheed; .30Carbine; 1rudeboy; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 31R1O; ADemocratNoMore; ...
Dear Frank Sheed,
Are ya’ lookin’ for a...
Classical Music Ping List ping!
If you want on or off this list, let me know via FR e-mail.
Thanks,
sitetest
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posted on
08/02/2007 2:15:20 PM PDT
by
sitetest
(If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
To: sitetest; Frank Sheed
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posted on
08/02/2007 4:23:35 PM PDT
by
HoosierHawk
(If I need to add a sarcasm tag, maybe you don't belong on this forum.)
To: sitetest
Yes, a Classical Music Ping looks great! I am not into posting the science behind methods of birth control! I will have to check to see how many “disappointed” customers took a peek and moved on!
;-o)
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posted on
08/02/2007 4:49:26 PM PDT
by
Frank Sheed
(Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
To: FormerLib
Shoot, I thought it was gonna be a “white vs. black” discussion re: inherent rhythm.
By the way......as a musician....it’s nonsense. :)
To: FormerLib
So did I, but that would be Natural Family Planning. The name has changed.
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posted on
08/02/2007 4:55:07 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Frank Sheed
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posted on
08/02/2007 5:03:30 PM PDT
by
CJinVA
To: Frank Sheed
This is a fabulous work!
I just Emailed it on to my choirmaster, on the off chance that he hasn't run across it (I'd bet dollars to donuts that he knows all about it already, but . . . just in case!)
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posted on
08/02/2007 7:01:19 PM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
To: maryz
Actually, this isn't so much about MUSIC as about RHYTHM. You can be the most un-musical person on earth, and still "get" what is being talked about here.
Gregorian chant is speech-like in its rhythm. One of the first points the author makes is that ordinary music is divided up by strict rules into regular measures and beats and time -- whether a march or a waltz or whatever. Gregorian chant is NOT regular and not evenly divided, it doesn't have strict measures and its notes don't have a strict time value. Chant takes its shape from the sort of emphasis, strong/weak syllables, and rising and falling intonation that is characteristic of the SPOKEN word.
The melodies are relatively simple (at least in a lot of the better known chants - there are some toughies in the Liber) . . . just as H.H. BXVI has noted, the WORDS are paramount. While Gregorian's origins are way back in the synagogue, the melodies are not the more difficult middle-eastern pattern that fall between notes to the Western ear, they're modal in a more traditionally Western way.
Old English poetry with all of its cross-rhythms and internal rhymes is a MUCH more difficult issue! This is much more straightforward -- you know all those monks who came straight off the farm or field into the chapel and had no musical education were able to learn chant!
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posted on
08/02/2007 7:10:40 PM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
To: AnAmericanMother
Why did I know you would be excited by this!
;-o)
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posted on
08/02/2007 8:01:31 PM PDT
by
Frank Sheed
(Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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