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To: xzins

Mohler: faith not feelings

Colson: there are dark nights of the soul

Neuner: feelings not the bottom line in a relationship with Jesus


2 posted on 08/31/2007 4:50:50 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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Very good observations.


3 posted on 08/31/2007 4:58:47 PM PDT by livius
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I was most surprised at Mohler. I think his was a personal confession more than anything. At least Colson was honest about it.

I have not struggled wsith doubts at all. Does that make me less of a thoughtful Christian? I don't think so.

Scripture people. Scripture. We are saved by faith, walk by faith, get answers to prayer by faith, etc... Doubt may plague some, but it is never a virtue.

7 posted on 08/31/2007 5:21:23 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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Thanks for the posts. Indeed feelings are often confused with faith.

My faith is in CHrist not in pastors or priests however, I do respect the pastors (etc) that
admit their human side, and I do not trust the ones that don’t.


28 posted on 08/31/2007 6:48:58 PM PDT by biscuit jane
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Good read.

One note on this quote attributed to Mohler, though,..

"Those who come to Christ by faith are not kept unto Him by our faith, but by his faithfulness,” wrote Mohler."

When I read Rom 3:22, to wit:

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

I'm lead to believe that our faith through Christ is considered the same as His faith in the Father, therefore counted as righteousness, again through Him efficacious for salvation.

Now, I agree that ALL faith comes from God, but once received, then by our volition we are then filled by the Holy Spirit and controlled by Him, but the faith provided by Him is indeed our own in our strength of will and volition. For this reason, perhaps we could amplify Mohler's quote to stipulate we also know there is no temptation too great than that which may be resisted, and indeed His faithfulness keeps us secure, but it still is our faith which the Father finds the same as His for assurance of our salvation.

Would you concur in this approach?

49 posted on 08/31/2007 8:33:55 PM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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