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To: topcat54
The old covenant feast days were unique to Israel as a nation living in the physical land when there was a temple and a priesthood to offer the sacrifices according to the law given through Moses.

Really? I've got many friends on line and in real life who would disagree with your opinion.

We no longer keep feast days given by Moses (who represented the law) that have decayed and faded away (Heb. 8:13).

Christ, the Lord himself, is chronicled in the bible speaking to Moses about his (Christ's) holy days:

Lev 23:1 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

Also you are apparently inserting your opinion into hebrew 8:13

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away

The old covenant, not the Lord's holy days, is what Hebrews 13 is referring to.

Those who attempt to keep these ersatz feast days do so according to traditions of men, not the commandments of God, for God never gave His people instructions on how to keep “Rosh Hashanah” or “Yom Kippur” apart from the temple sacrifices or earthly priesthood.

Nonsense. Let's look at the feast of trumpets (Rosh Hashanah):

Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation.
Lev 23:25 Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

We have instructions to:

1. Observe a sabbath.
2. Blow trumpets.
3. Gather together.
4. Don't do servile work.

None of these require sacrifice or a temple.

"For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ" (John 1:17).

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

We follow Christ in the grace of the gospel. If you are still following after Moses by keeping old covenant feast days as pleasing to God then the apostle Paul has much to say to you in Galatians.

Paul kept the feasts himself:

Act 18:21 But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

Act 20:16 For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

They were mere shadows of things to come (Col. 2:17)

You misquoted scripture:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of Christ.

ARE, not "were".

7 posted on 09/09/2007 8:26:41 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; topcat54
You misquoted scripture:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of Christ.

ARE, not "were".

Great catch on the verse.

My BibleWorks says the verb is present tense as you stated.

shalom b'shem Yah'shua
9 posted on 09/10/2007 12:04:12 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: DouglasKC
ARE, not "were".

He's writing before the destruction of the Temple.

"Are" became "were" in AD 70, when Temple Judaism ceased to exist.

10 posted on 09/10/2007 1:14:17 PM PDT by Campion
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To: DouglasKC
Really? I've got many friends on line and in real life who would disagree with your opinion.

And that is supposed to prove what?

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

I always get a chuckle when the messianics quote this passage and then fail to explain why it is that they are free to ignore all the detailed stipulations given in the Mosaic law about how Israel in the land was to keep the feasts, etc and may pick and choose the parts of the ceremonial/Levitical law that should be kept today. I guess “jot and tittle” really does not mean anything in your system.

Can you show exactly where in the Bible God gave commands for how to keep all these feast days under the new covenant without benefit of the “jots and tittles” that were given originally?

The rabbis had to invent new law to explain this to their post-AD70 followers. Can you explain why it appears messianic are doing precisely the same thing today?

Paul kept the feasts while the temple system was still in place to win his fellow Jews to Christ, not in order to find special favor with God.

“19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law;” (1 Cor. 9)

What was Paul admitting about the law when he says he “became as a Jew”? And what does Paul say abut those who place themselves “under the law”?

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.’” (Gal. 3:10)

“But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.” (Gal. 5:18)

You need to read all of Paul to get the right picture.

12 posted on 09/10/2007 4:30:52 PM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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