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To: Claud
Total desertion.

Who gets to decide what is total and what is not? I could try to call my Baptist brother a heretic for his views on baptism, and I might get away with it in some circles, but not generally. Similarly, if my Baptist brother was a Presbyterian at one time, he is now an apostate, but only in the narrowest of circles.

That is why I used the Athanasian Creed as the touchstone. Folks who deny that are either heretic or apostate depending on their former circumstances.

57 posted on 10/08/2007 12:12:25 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: topcat54
Who gets to decide what is total and what is not? I could try to call my Baptist brother a heretic for his views on baptism, and I might get away with it in some circles, but not generally.

Right. Well, keep in mind that these terms are very old and came about in a time when there were not all the denominations we have today. It was easier to label a heretic, because there was only one Church doing the labeling. As for how you Reformation folks parse out the differences, I'm not sure of that.

I could see why, from your perspective, the Athanasian Creed would be a good benchmark for orthodoxy.

64 posted on 10/08/2007 12:24:14 PM PDT by Claud
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