Posted on 10/13/2007 7:53:43 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
Global warming is caused by my Big Van! Bwahahahahaha!
Outraged or not, the Protestant party came to power only because the country wished to follow the will of Henry VIII, which named Edward. Mary and Elizabeth as his heirs. No one wanted to return to the state of civil war that preceeded the Tudot ascent to the throne. Henry VII and Henry VIII firmly established Tudor rule, because virtually the whole of the nobility and the merchants of the City saw the dynasty as an anchor. When the Protestant Party sought to remove Princess Mary from the succession and place on the throne the very young, and very devout Jane Grey—who likely would have been Edward’s wife if he had lived—the country rose in rebellion. Mary of course wasted much of this good will first by the unpopular Spanish marriage and then by the executions. Furthermore she was unlike Elizabeth, a strong and decisive person, and was uncertain about policy. There was public revulsion at the religious persecutions, but hardly enough to threaten her whole on the country. Most of her victims were anabaptists who were regarded with no great affection by the anglicans, and it was only when they were included in Foxe’s marytology that they became Protestant heroes. What doomed the Catholic regime was Mary’s failure to produce an heir and her early death—she was less than 40. Elizabeth then ascended to the throne and then simply reversed the Marian reforms. Probably she learned from Mary’s mistakes, and avoided marriage while for many years holding out the bait of a marriage. She also saw the misfortunes of Catherine D’ medici and her cousin, Mary Stuart, about the perils of a Queen trying to rule a divinded state. Most English Catholics give her credit for having avoid the horrors of relgious war, as in France, and of the tyranny of Protestant zealots as in Scotland.
The sad part of all this is that Britain is now barely Christian and will be a Muslim country within a generation. Read the book, “Londistan.”
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Actually, the most recent studies have shown conclusively that global warming is most definitely the result of my huge barbecue grill used at our tailgate parties. I have the parking tickets and hate mail from "Greenies" to prove it. Reminds me, I need another couple of cords of hickory wood!
I'm not Catholic, though I deeply respect the Church, as neither am I Jewish, but take my faith from there. (And they really took a licking.)
I'm going to see this film later today. I'll check in here later with my impressions.
You’ve got that right!
What would really educate people on the 'way it really was' would be to read Eamon Duffy's 'The Stripping of the Altars' and 'Voices of Morebath'. The scholarship is impeccable since Duffy used documents, books and period writings that were previously never touched, thus preventing the true story of England's Reformation from being honestly addressed. Duffy's credentials are impeccable and he is universally regarded as one of the foremost experts on this period in history. To read his works forces you to relearn/rethink everything you thought you knew about the English Reformation.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/002-2759702-6824008?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Eamon%20Duffy
I'm sorrry! I post so little that I forget how to make a link!
I don’t agree with all of the movies on the “50 Greatest Catholic Movies of All Time. (Quiz Show? Groundhog Day? I wouldn’t have picked Schindler’s list either, because of Liam Neeson flashing his bum.)
Here are the ones I would keep on the list and others I would add below:
Greatest Catholic Movies:
Going My Way
The Quiet Man
Song of Bernadette
Ben Hur
A Man for All Seasons
It’s a Wonderful Life
The Scarlet and the Black
Additions:
The Passion
Sound of Music
The Trouble with Angels
Keys to the Kingdom (Gregory Peck)
How Green was My Valley (Maureen O’Hara, Roddy McDowell)
An Affair to Remember (scene where they visit the aunt)
Yours, Mine and Ours
A Thousand Men and a Baby (a little cheesey with “John Boy”, but a tear-jerker)
Cinderella Man (Russell Crowe)
Count of Monte Cristo (Jim Caviezel)
Lord of the Rings Trilogy
Trouble Along the Way (John Wayne, Donna Reed)
Bella (probably came out after list was published)
I am sure I am missing a bunch. Anyone have any others?
I don’t agree with all of the movies on the “50 Greatest Catholic Movies of All Time. (Quiz Show? Groundhog Day? I wouldn’t have picked Schindler’s list either, because of Liam Neeson flashing his bum.)
Here are the ones I would keep on the list and others I would add below:
Greatest Catholic Movies:
Going My Way
The Quiet Man
Song of Bernadette
Ben Hur
A Man for All Seasons
It’s a Wonderful Life
The Scarlet and the Black
Additions:
The Passion
Sound of Music
The Trouble with Angels
Keys to the Kingdom (Gregory Peck)
How Green was My Valley (Maureen O’Hara, Roddy McDowell)
An Affair to Remember (scene where they visit the aunt)
Yours, Mine and Ours
A Thousand Men and a Baby (a little cheesey with “John Boy”, but a tear-jerker)
Cinderella Man (Russell Crowe)
Count of Monte Cristo (Jim Caviezel)
Lord of the Rings Trilogy
Trouble Along the Way (John Wayne, Donna Reed)
Bella (probably came out after list was published)
I am sure I am missing a bunch. Anyone have any others?
Donovan’s Reef.
We have a state-wide burn ban.
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Queen Elizabeth outlawed the practice of Catholicism and indeed made a crime just being a priest or attending mass. It’s all very well to say that there were crimes on all sides of in the Reformation, and that neither side had a concept of religious toleration that we have today, but the whitewashing of “Good Queen Bess” going on in this thread is revolting.
The great Renaissance luminary Erasmus didn’t follow Luther into heresy and schism, so I don’t think your labeling the Renaissance as an anti-Catholic movement works.
If you made a movie about Mary, Queen of Scots, you all would doubtlessly picture English Protestants as a murderous bunch of fanatic proto Fascists. After all, they pretty much where that to English Catholics
Better rein your emotions in a bit.
How generous. Technically.
I’ve read Duffy’s first book, but thanks for the tip on the second. What shook me was how much reformers like Cranmer are like the liberal reformers of Post-V2, and how much their mass is like his liturgical reforms. If only they had Cranmer’s ear for musical English.
I have no interest in seeing a movie about the bastard daughter of the whore Ann Boleyn.
I have no interest in seeing a movie about the bastard daughter of the whore Ann Boleyn.
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