[NYer]

Ping

[FourtySeven]

Useful diagram thanks for posting.

[stuartcr]

If God is the Father and also the Son and Holy Ghost, why isn’t the Son also the Father or the Holy Ghost?

[Alex Murphy]

Ask quite nearly every adult Catholic who has, over the past 40 years, suffered from the inexcusable negligence in Catechism, or CCD (Confraternity of Christian Doctrine), as we call it here in America --- a negligence that lays at the feet of the Bishops who, opting for a more visible correctitude in matters social and political, have defaulted on their primary responsibility as Teachers of the Faith in their respective dioceses --- and the answer is the same, although the inflections vary: "I really don't know", or, "it is terribly unclear to me"...

...Perhaps, then, as it is said, "a picture (in this case a diagram) is worth a thousand words". So, for the sake of those who should be teaching and do not, or are teaching and know little of what they teach --- but most of all for the children, we present you a picture --- in the shameful absence of words.

And the author of this piece resorts to the same; unable to explain it, he resorts to pictures. Catholic apologetics have left the laity without hope. All they know is how to appeal to the authority of the Magistrate; none seem to make an appeal to Scripture.

[east1234]

read later

[MHGinTN]

Never seen the ‘steering wheel’ diagram before. I like it!

[William Terrell]

Is it possible, do you think, to refer to any part of One (if there are such a concept as "parts" of such a One) Who is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent as a "person"?

[Cvengr]

Thanks for the post.

FWIW, I’ve found the issue of the trinity is best understood by simply recognizing God Provides.

He reveals Himself in three persons.

We don’t need to read anything more into that revelation, but simply need to comprehend bit by bit exactly what He reveals to us in each of those revelations.

God didn’t provide us with a Library of Congress and encyclopedias of quantum mechanics in order for us to understand everything in His Creation, so why would we be so arrogant as to think we would comprehend Him in a fashion we comprehend worldly things, independent of simple faith through Him?

Keep it simple. He has seen from eternity past the best way to reveal to us about His essence and nature in the fashion in which He has.

I suspect any challenge is comprehending the Trinity is better met by the wondrous awe we should instead afford Him, in simply studying what He has revealed and comprehending those aspects of the person in which He reveals Himself, instead of getting wrapped up in man made doctrines built more upon rationalism and empiricism, than first upon faith through Him.

[Uri’el-2012]

how do you read Isaiah 60:16 ?

shalom b'shem Yahshua

[Salvation]

Gospel from Catholic Caucus: Daily Mass Readings, 10-20-07, Opt. Mem. St. Paul of the Cross

Emphasis added by me here.

Gospel
Lk 12:8-12

Jesus said to his disciples:
“I tell you,
everyone who acknowledges me before others
the Son of Man will acknowledge before the angels of God.
But whoever denies me before others
will be denied before the angels of God.

“Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven,
but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit
will not be forgiven.
When they take you before synagogues and before rulers and authorities,
do not worry about how or what your defense will be
or about what you are to say.
For the Holy Spirit will teach you at that moment what you should say.”

[Eagle Eye]

There is only one God and God is one.

Three is not one; one is not three.

And there is only one mediator between God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus.

God is not a man that he should lie or the son of man that he should repent.

God is spirit and invisible.

Jesus came in (totally in) the flesh and he that denies that is antichrist.

[1 spark]

Why many reject the notion of a trinity:

This is from a messianic site, that supports Jesus as the messiah...but not as God, or part of a trinity.
http://www.torahofmessiah.com/trinity_art.html

Also, Biblical Unitarians see Jesus as the son of God, but not as part of a trinity, co-equal with God. They back their position w/ scripture...and also address the gospel of John, which is always the gospel Christians use to “prove” that Jesus claimed to be God:

http://biblicalunitarian.com/html/index.php

This site denounces the trinity too (but i think they beleive Jesus was the messiah) Go here and click on Lesson 5 which clearly shows Jesus as inferior to God the Father.
http://www.hutchinsoncog.com/SysTheology/index.html

And the following sites explain the Christian reinterpretation of Jewish scripture:

http://www.messiahtruth.com/trintorah.html (”Is the Trinity Found in the Torah?” addresses the Christian re- interpretation of Gen.)

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq134.html (addresses Gen 1:26)

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html (addresses much more re: the trinity)

http://www.outreachjudaism.org/genesis1-26.html (addresses Gen 1:26)

http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/ (Click on “God is one and indivisible” in the left hand column.)