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To: Uncle Chip; Lord_Calvinus
Some things I guess were just hard to forget for those Jewish apostles, especially when filled with the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

Actually, if you read the passage in Acts 15 very carefully you will see that what James is referring to is the then present calling of the gentiles, since it was the nature of that calling that was the present dispute before the council (whether gentiles needed to convert to Judaism after coming to faith in Christ). If was not the future, but the present that was James and Peter’s concern. As was their custom, the interpret the OT prophecy and apply it to Christ and the present, not the far distant future (the lone habitation of the dispensationalist).

Once again your futurist presuppositions cloud the plain reading of the text.

754 posted on 10/31/2007 8:12:43 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: topcat54; Quix; Lord_Calvinus
Actually, if you read the passage in Acts 15 very carefully you will see that what James is referring to is the then present calling of the gentiles, since it was the nature of that calling that was the present dispute before the council (whether gentiles needed to convert to Judaism after coming to faith in Christ). If was not the future, but the present that was James and Peter’s concern.

Not exactly. They were also wondering about what happened to the promise of the restoration of the kingdom to Israel since there were so many Gentiles coming into the church. The declaration of the council is quite clear: First the Gentiles would be brought into the Church [the times of the Gentiles], then after this Jesus would return to rebuild Jerusalem and restore the kingdom from there. Here read it again:

"Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things." [Acts 15]

Once again your preterist presuppositions cloud the plain reading of the text. Does your Bible have the words "After this" in it? Are the words "I will return ..." yet still in the future? You preterists need to get yourself some Bibles with all the verb tenses in them -- Past, Present, and F-U-T-U-R-E.

759 posted on 11/01/2007 3:30:52 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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