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To: Secret Agent Man; Campion
You are asking for something from the dead (intercession/mediation), and trying to influence the course of events.

Just as Campion said, you fail to accept the fact that these faithful "dead" are actually alive in Christ.

When we pray to God for something, are we "trying to influence the course of events"? In a sense, we are doing that with certain prayers. None of these saints have any power of their own other than their prayer. God does the heavy lifting.

57 posted on 10/25/2007 12:58:58 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480

Being ‘alive in Christ’ does not mean they have the powers of Christ. Or can do everything that Christ can do.

I am alive in Christ right now. I cannot do everything that Christ can do. Paul was alive in Christ. He could do miracles for awhile, until those powers were taken away from him. But Paul could not do everything Christ could do. It is not theologically sound or supportable that from the phrase ‘alive in Christ’ that you come up with the idea that the dead can intercede for us.


62 posted on 10/25/2007 1:11:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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