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To: Campion

Wow, you really need some help untwisting Scripture.

Your first point is just babble. I am saying there is no need to pray to departed (dead) christians who will then shuttle my request to Christ for me, because I can pray directly to Christ. You are incorrectly equating praying to a dead Christian to pray for you or send your prayer up to God for you, with asking a Christian who is alive on the earth that you can talk to and ask to pray for you. They are not the same thing. Unfortunately you don’t realize this. There is no violation. The body of Christ on earth can help each other while on the earth. If you get there’s a disconnect in the ability of a dead human being to help living human beings still on the earth, you really don’t get a very simple concept.

Second point you are distorting what it means to be ‘absent from the body, present with the Lord.” They are in heaven right now, but they have not been resurrected yet, like Christ has. They have not yet received their immortal bodies yet, like Christ has. And forgive me, but they do not have the same powers of Christ. They are not God nor will any of us ever be God. Just because they are alive in heaven does not mean you can say that they can intercede for us.

You still cannot admit there is ONE mediator, Jesus Christ. We need no other. We don’t have to ask anyone else in heaven to do anything for us. They cannot do anything for us anyway.


61 posted on 10/25/2007 1:08:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: Secret Agent Man
You are incorrectly equating praying to a dead Christian to pray for you or send your prayer up to God for you, with asking a Christian who is alive on the earth that you can talk to and ask to pray for you. They are not the same thing.

And how are they different, exactly? I mean apart from special pleading.

The Christian in heaven is freed from sin and enjoying the complete intimate union with God that is only possible in heaven.

The Christian on earth is not yet completely freed from sin and isn't yet enjoying that intimate union with God. And this makes his prayers more efficacious ... because ... ???

They are in heaven right now, but they have not been resurrected yet, like Christ has. They have not yet received their immortal bodies yet, like Christ has.

According to Christ, they're alive. According to you, they're dead.

Who should I believe?

You still cannot admit there is ONE mediator, Jesus Christ. We need no other.

You continue to distort and misunderstand that verse. Read it in context.

79 posted on 10/25/2007 1:32:49 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Secret Agent Man

You don’t believe in intercessory prayer?


138 posted on 10/25/2007 5:33:35 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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