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To: Petrosius; NYer

“We do not have any theology of the Petrine office on the level of the Universal Church. Our ecclesiology does not have room for such a concept. This is why the Orthodox Church has for centuries opposed the idea of the universal jurisdiction of any bishop, including the Bishop of Rome.”

+Hilarion is being disingenuous at best. The ecclesiology of The Church included a Petrine primacy. As +Alexi II knows, and in fact insists upon in his own Synod, Primacy presupposes some degree of power to exercise that primacy, the extent of which is the real issue here. Trust me, +Alexi II is the “most equal” among the bishops of his Synod. That said, the idea of immediate universal jurisdiction appertaining to the see of Rome is simply not historically correct insofar as The One Church is concerned. To that extent, +Hilarion is correct. There is no theology of a universal patriarch with immediate universal jurisdiction, let alone an infallible one, in Orthodoxy and I sincerely pray there never will be.


3 posted on 11/14/2007 6:52:33 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
The whole thing is quite hilarious, and Hilarion is full of double speak.

"we believe that all primates of the Local Churches are equal to one another, and none of them has jurisdiction over any other"

Then:

"representatives of the so-called Estonian Autonomous Church"

"There are a number of autonomous and autocephalous Churches which, for various reasons, are not universally recognized in the Orthodox world."

If the first statement above is true, why is there all this "so-called Church" talk, and a lack of universal recognition? This seems like Animal Farm. All local Churches are equal, but some are more equal than others. Has Moscow forgotten that it formed by breaking away from K'yiv?

"We do not have any theology of the Petrine office on the level of the Universal Church. Our ecclesiology does not have room for such a concept."

And perhaps that is why we see this amazing confusion of jurisdictions and petty infighting over utter nonsense in the Orthodox Church - no one at the top to guide the brotherhood in unity.

4 posted on 11/15/2007 9:00:58 AM PST by Andrew Byler
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