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To: Semper
"Someone please tell me how a potential human in early development, not yet manifested in this world is more important than a human being, with a history, a family, a promising future who is killed in war."

I am indeed interested in the answers to the last question posed above.

Your question is flawed as you preface the noun "human" differently. You posted this vanity in the religion forum, so if you want to discuss the religious issues involved in being "pro-life" yet supporting the war where innocent people sometimes are killed, then just say so. Don't beat around the bush. You state in your vanity you are "pro-life" and are "pro-God". Do you believe the Scriptures? If so, then my post #4 above answers your question. If you wish to argue that the unborn is a "potential human", then say so. Don't beat around the bush.

"Someone please tell me how a potential human in early development, not yet manifested in this world is more important than a human being, with a history, a family, a promising future who is killed in war."

The simple answer to your question is that neither one is more important than the other. They both have value and should be protected. The difference between the "potential human" and "the human being" is when one initiates violence against another. When you initiate violence, you lose your rights. The unborn cannot initiate violence and therefore cannot lose their rights... including the right to life.

If you wish to discuss "how can you be 'pro-life' and 'pro-capital punishment'... just let me know. I can show you the Scripture that supports that, too.

I hope this helps answer your question,
FRegards,
DocRock

Jesus was pro-gun, too... check my tagline

40 posted on 11/15/2007 10:33:59 PM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: DocRock
If you wish to discuss "how can you be 'pro-life' and 'pro-capital punishment'... just let me know. I can show you the Scripture that supports that, too.

Almost any position can be supported if you use both the old and new Testament. I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ. He said in effect that those without sin can cast the first stone. Stoning was a means of capital punishment. While that lesson applied to judging others, it can also be seen as a condemnation of capital punishment. If you can show me where Jesus supported capital punishment I would be interested.

48 posted on 11/16/2007 7:07:09 AM PST by Semper
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To: DocRock
The difference between the "potential human" and "the human being" is when one initiates violence against another. When you initiate violence, you lose your rights.

Invading Iraq, when Iraq did not attack us, would seem to be initiating violence. Does that mean that there are exceptions to your premise? We can initiate violence if it contributes to our security or economic stability or whatever - and that violence is experienced by innocents who are acutely aware of what is happening and must deal with the tragic results. The vast majority of abortion decisions are carried out when the fetus is virtually unaware of this world and will not experience the horror and consequences of a war.

Just to be clear, that does not justify abortion. The invasion of Iraq was not justified either. I wish that religious people obsessed with abortion would have focused at least as much thought and energy on our initiation of violence half way around the world.

52 posted on 11/16/2007 8:22:31 AM PST by Semper
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