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To: Kolokotronis

They already did. They’ve done it by establishing episcopal jurisdictions of their own provinces in the United States and Canada without even asking ECUSA for permission. What would the Greek Church do if Patriarch Alexi flew to Athens and consecrated three men to be bishops of the Russian Church in Greece? They’ve done it by refusing to share the Eucharist with Schori, Griswold and crowd. What if the canonical patriarchs weren’t able to share the Eucharist at one of their gatherings? What if the College of Cardinals couldn’t celebrate Mass together?

Nobody is really sure what the Lambeth Conference will look like or if there will even be one. Will the orthodox bishops show up if the heretics are invited? St. Athanasius and the orthodox majority showed up at Nicea even though the heretic Arius was invited. They then put him and his heresies in their proper place. All of the bishops, including those who pretned to be bishops, may very well be in England this summer, but gathered in two different places with Archbishop Williams playing some sort of shuttle diplomacy. The heretics will not allow a format that will lead to a repeat of the 1998 smackdown, and the orthodox are not willing to spend money on another useless gathering.


50 posted on 12/24/2007 6:48:46 AM PST by bobjam
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To: bobjam

I think you’ve got it wrong, bob. The Arians were springing up quite literally everywhere, especially in the East, but Visigothic Spain was infected too. It wasn’t a matter of jurisdictional claim jumping at all. The issue was, were these Arians heretics or not? Would The Church condemn them as such and cut them off utterly as no longer not simply “former” brothers but indeed as enemies of God! The Council at Nicea, as were so many of the later Councils, was a culmination of ongoing condemnations, ongoing accusations of heresy brought against the heterodox.

Every Anglican bishop should go to Lambeth to be counted among the sheep or the goats. Staying away is craven and an abdication of responsibility. The heresy of 1st World Anglicanism must be soundly, loudly and publicly anathemized along with its proponents. Lambeth should be no place for talking or, God forbid, listening! The heretics, beginning with that clown the ArchDruid, should appear and the orthodox condemn them for the demonic lickspittles that they are.

But Anglican bishops won’t do that. They’ll either stay home or they will “dialog” because the foundational Elizabethan Compromise is all about avoiding trouble and keeping everyone happy, even at the expense of The Faith.

BTW, what would the Greeks do if the MP showed up consecrating bishops in Athens? Probably the same thing the MP did about the EP doing that in Ukraine and Estonia, go into a mini, and not too long lasting, schism. This is not a theological matter, bob. Its about canonical jurisdiction in orthodox ecclesiology. Frankly, since the ECUSA bishops have not been anathemized by, say +Akinola, Shori et al are correct that what +Akinola et al are doing is uncanonical and the ArchDruid may well be correct in refusing to recognize bishops like Minns, though I think that is more problematical. All in all, bob, what the orthodox Anglican bishops have done thus far, while understandable, is likely uncanonical and doesn’t come close to anathemization of the heresiarchs in a council.


51 posted on 12/24/2007 7:17:14 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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