Posted on 12/16/2007 4:05:55 PM PST by NYer
No, it is not because they have ‘done the impossible’,but because they have taken the host UNWORTHILY, and as scripture says, are ‘guilty of the body and blood’.
Those who KNOWINGLY take communion in a state of mortal sin are making a mockery of the Christ in the eucharist.
I agree.
right, ok, we agree, so, if i may ask, what was the point of all your replies back and forth with me on this subject?
On the point you just made, yes.
what was the point of all your replies back and forth with me on this subject?
The portion of my previous post that you ignored. This part:
Is it because they’ve done the impossible (”you can not have the perfect, sinless, God-man, inside the body stained with sin”) or is it because they have taken the perfect, sinless, God-man, into a sin stained body?
me: but that portion is irrelavent. because is isnt the idea of ingestion of the eucharist. if one just takes the host and doesnt consume, and does whatever with it, and again, you are not in a state of grace, you are also guilty of the body and blood as well.
you dont have to consume it, it is the state you are in, when you receive it.
YOU:
The portion of my previous post that you ignored. This part:
Is it because they’ve done the impossible (”you can not have the perfect, sinless, God-man, inside the body stained with sin”) or is it because they have taken the perfect, sinless, God-man, into a sin stained body?
And one” cannot “have the tablets of the Law inside an imperfect ark, which is to say an ark not made in accordance with the commands of God. The references to Mary as “the ark” are not just poetic. The Word of God is carried in a “body” made by the hand of man (Yokum and Anna) but whose dimensions are in perfect accord with His Word. One can touch it, one can violate it. but it is death to do so, though perhaps not immediate or physical death.
Right, men shouldn't, as it would bring down the wrath of God. We're talking about men's obedience to God here, aren't we? Think God could have put the tablets of the Law where ever He wanted to put them?
And he could have chosen any woman in the world, but chose her. Her purity is inseparable from her chosenness. Each of us is chosen; the mystery is why some of us are children of darkness and others children of light. The Scriptures reveal some of what is behind the veil: she is a daughter of Eve, and daughter of Zion. He is the Word incarnate; she the, ark in which he rests, and not just for the 9 months of pregnancy.
I was in agreement with everything you said until, "and not just for the 9 months of pregnancy", which made me go what? What do you mean by that?
Is anything more helpless than an infant child. The middle ages, which are not so prudish or puerile as we, showed the bables suckling his moter’;s breast. Joseph and she carried him through the desert into Egypt and back, and into “hiding,” She taught him his prayers, and the meaning of Torah. In short she raised him as a child of Israel. And all through this time she carried secrets in her heart to which not even Joseph was privy. One reason why the Passion so resonates with Catholics—not liberal Catholics btw—is the wonderful intimacy between “ Mary” and “Jesus,” the scene where she sees him falling under the weight of the cross which is cut with the flashback of the child stumbling, and her escape from her fears as she rushes to embrce him. No Queen of Heaven here; just a mother and her child and hell iself cannot keep them apart.
You just described the very real & very human Mary that I think any Christian would recognize.
Oops, that should have been:
I heard Carl Olson speak recently. Very good.
The Perfect Faith of the Blessed Virgin "The Blessed Mother and Advent", Part 2 of 4
Theotokos sums up all that Mary is: "The Blessed Mother and Advent", Part 3 of 4
Holy Mary and the Death of Sin - "The Blessed Mother and Advent", Part 4 of 4
More correctly, this is the sort of hatred one encounters when correcting the errors that have gone before Christ.
Not to fear, the World hated Him first.
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