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To: JohnnyM
The logic of requiring Jesus to have a sinless mother is a little off, because if Mary were sinless, would not her parents need to be sinless in order to conceive her, because how could a sinless vessel, Mary, be born of sinful individuals.

Thus the Immaculate Conception. Her stainless soul was absolutely required.

If you say then that God could have made it possible, then why can you not say that God made it possible for Jesus?

If we're going to discuss "possibilities" we could also state that God could have fashioned His own flesh out of dust like He did with Adam. He didn't need to be "born" into a nuclear family, but He chose to. He chose to have a mother and a foster father and to grow and learn like all of us. Why's that? If Mary isn't worth venerating, she certainly wasn't worth being born through, right?

52 posted on 12/17/2007 10:22:18 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Rutles4Ever
You say that Jesus needed a sinless vessel in order to be born sinless, why then did Mary not need a sinless vessel in order to be born sinless?

JM
59 posted on 12/17/2007 10:57:08 AM PST by JohnnyM
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To: Rutles4Ever
Thus the Immaculate Conception. Her stainless soul was absolutely required.

Totally illogical...Mary couldn't have been born 'immaculate' with parents who were soiled with sin...

Both of Mary's parents would have to have been sinless as well...

131 posted on 12/18/2007 6:00:03 AM PST by Iscool
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