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To: pa mom
I can’t imagine why the Mormonism should matter in any way. I think the media is trying to rile up evangelical Christians.

I agree. Some of our better presidents were Unitarian (Jefferson (Episcopalian when elected, later started US Unitarian Church), John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Millard Fillmore, & William Howard Taft). Eisenhower was a Jehovah's Witness. What's our track record of Baptist Presidents? Clinton & Carter? As long as the president has a strong moral foundation, I don't mind various religious dogma.

15 posted on 01/17/2008 8:17:16 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling
Eisenhower was a Jehovah's Witness.

Eisenhower was a JW as a child, but he left the group as an adult and formally joined a Presbyterian church shortly after he became President. Just FWI.

JW's are prohibited by their religion from bearing arms. It's unlikely (!) that a practicing JW would end up Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in Europe. :-)

29 posted on 01/17/2008 8:52:48 AM PST by Campion
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To: mnehrling
I agree about unitariants but Millard Fillmore better president???

BTW, Jefferson and both of the Adams were more deist-leaning than agnostic unitarians (don't know about Taft).

47 posted on 01/17/2008 9:15:39 AM PST by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: mnehrling
Some of our better presidents were Unitarian (Jefferson (Episcopalian when elected, later started US Unitarian Church), John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Millard Fillmore, & William Howard Taft). Eisenhower was a Jehovah's Witness.

Eisenhower's mother was a JW...but Eisenhower was never one as an adult...later joined (I believe) a Presbyterian church.

Samuel Adams: "Let...statemen & altruists unite their endeavors to renovate the age by...educating their little boys & girls...leading them in the study & practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system." (Source: Samuel Adams and John Adams, "Four Letters," 1802, pp.9-10)

So, let's compare Samuel Adams' talking about the "exalted virtues of the Christian system" to the LDS "scriptures" Romney holds to:

I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right — and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt..." (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith - History, vv. 18-19)

Let's compare Adams' comments of the Christian system/religion to that of the ancestor of Romney, his great-great-great uncle Orson Pratt:

"The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church, is the great corrupt, ecclesiastical power, represented by great Babylon...." (Orson Pratt, Orson Pratt, Writings of an Apostle, "Divine Authenticity," no.6, p.84...Pratt in The Seer, p. 255, called this "great Babylon" the "whore of Babylon.")

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels." (The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60).

"...all other churches are entirely destitute of all authority from God; and any person who receives baptism or the Lord's supper from their hands will highly offend God, for he looks upon them as the most corrupt people." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255).

JEFFERSON

If you go to this FREEPER thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1000354/posts you'll see that David Barton references the time of Jefferson's life where he was "anti-Christian and anti-religious," but Barton says:

"Jefferson expressed some doubts about the divinity of Christ. But what is never pointed out about Jefferson is the fact that he said that he expressed those doubts when he was in France and part of the time after he got home. And he said in those years he had studied the writings of David Hume, an atheist philosopher… so you have a period where Jefferson was anti-Christian, anti-religious. But at the end of his life, he never considered himself anything but an orthodox Christian...he thought of himself as a true Christian."

Now D. James Kennedy questioned Jefferson's "Christian" status...but certainly he didn't question the reality that his activity was that of a "nominal Christian": A nominal Christian – as demonstrated by his lifelong practice of attending worship services, reading the Bible, and following the moral principles of Christ – Jefferson was not, in my opinion, a genuine Christian. In 1813, after his public career was over, Jefferson rejected the deity of Christ.

Kennedy wrote: Most intriguing is the manner in which Jefferson dated an official document. Instead of "in the year of our Lord," Jefferson used the phrase "in the year of our Lord Christ." Christian historian David Barton has the proof – the original document signed by Jefferson on the "eighteenth day of October in the year of our Lord Christ, 1804."

According to Kennedy (source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28006), Jefferson...

Wrote 9 documents in 1776 ("Notes on Religion") which are "very orthodox statements about the inspiration of Scripture and Jesus as the Christ," according to Mark Beliles, a Providence Foundation scholar...

Wrote an abridgement of the gospels for the benefit of Native Americans in 1804...(he gave his money to assist missionary work among the Indians, believing his "abridgement of the New Testament for the use of the Indians" would help civilize and educate America's aboriginal inhabitants...It's also a myth that this abridgement cut out ALL Biblical miracles...the Table of Texts that survives includes several accounts of Christ's healings

313 posted on 01/19/2008 8:22:25 PM PST by Colofornian
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