Sola Scriptura and the Proliferation of Protestant Denominations

TeamPyro ^ | Phil Johnson

[conservonator]

I agree, but is there support that the number of apostles rose above 14?

Scripture records the beginning of the Church, not it's entirety. There's no reason to believe that the initial growth of the office number should stop in the first century.

I suppose any errors interpreting scripture can be dangerous, especially numerology which is a croc. Nevertheless, number in scripture are symbols, they have meaning.

Agreed, every word, number jot and title had meaning. What that meaning is is foe one end: the story of God's love for man.

[conservonator]

Don’t be so quick to agree. Judas Iscariot was one of the original twelve and the office did not grow out of them but out of the gift to the churches in Ephesians 4 after His resurrection.

Paul was not an apostle? Judas's office was filled, Paul's appointment by Christ added to the number. Ask and you shall receive: the growing Church was in need: He showed us the way, as He always does.

[Seven_0]

Scripture records the beginning of the Church, not it's entirety. There's no reason to believe that the initial growth of the office number should stop in the first century.

Neither is there a reason to believe that the number should grow.

Seven

[Cvengr]

Do you believe that Mary isn’t the Mother of God?

No, I don't. I don't believe Mariam was the Mother of God the Father, nor the mother of God the Holy Spirit, but I do believe she was the woman who bore Jesus Christ who was God Incarnate as the child, who then grew in the body as Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who was one with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Furthermore, those who attempt to deceive others into worshipping somebody other than God, by attempting to associate Mary with a senior position of authority to her Savior, without explicitly warning those who may not know better, simply are attempting to further grieve the Son as well as the Holy Spirit.

[conservonator]

< Neither is there a reason to believe that the number should grow.

Two reasons: Providence and the Church, the pillar and ground of truth, says so.

[Lord_Calvinus]

***Then don’t say you “aren’t conscious of sin” and expect Christians who know the Scriptures to believe you.***

Well, you don’t know the Scriptures very well, then. I was strongly referencing Scripture when I made my statement:

Hebrews 10:2
For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.

I’ll leave you to mull its proper interpretation, but I like Dr. Eckleburg have ALREADY been purified from our sins. And, even if our sanctification is ongoing and we still do sin, we are ALREADY perfected forever. This is how and why we can and SHOULD boldly enter the Holiest.

We stand in a state that no Catholic will truly understand this side of Paradise, I’m afraid. It requires you to shrug off too many false things first, which would render you no longer Catholic. Hebrews is a wonderful book that not only addresses the Jewish sacerdotalism, but also strongly refutes the Catholic as well.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I, like Dr. Eckleburg, have ALREADY been purified from our sins. And, even if our sanctification is ongoing and we still do sin, we are ALREADY perfected forever. This is how and why we can and SHOULD boldly enter the Holiest.

We stand in a state that no Catholic will truly understand this side of Paradise, I'm afraid. It requires you to shrug off too many false things first, which would render you no longer Catholic. Hebrews is a wonderful book that not only addresses the Jewish sacerdotalism, but also strongly refutes the Catholic as well.

AMEN, L-C!!!

I can't count the times I've had a question and my husband sends me back to Hebrews. It's all there, for those with ears to hear.

"Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

And having an high priest over the house of God;

Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water." -- Hebrews 10:9-22

"For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven." -- Psalm 119:89