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1 posted on 02/14/2008 4:28:17 PM PST by Terriergal
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An EXCELLENT piece that sheds more light on this issue and why the religious left, as ‘permissive’ as it seems, in reality is preaching LAW not the gospel. A law they themselves do not fulfill either!

Good Advice vs. Good News
http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/The_White_Horse_Inn/archives.asp?bcd=2008-2-10


2 posted on 02/14/2008 4:30:26 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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Folks who focus on man rather than God will be led astray to think as Warren does. Yes, we are to reach out with food, etc. AND the Gospel, but always keep our main focus on Christ else we be led off the narrow way.

My church has shed Purpose Driven madness for a local version of the same illness of looking to change the world - we’re “people driven!” And I am going to meet with the elders next month to explain this to them and request a meeting before the church if need be.


3 posted on 02/14/2008 4:43:39 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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Jesus never spoke against abortion or homosexual marriage.

Jesus spoke against Adultery and sexual immorality. And I kind of doubt they were doing millions of abortions back in 30 AD.

5 posted on 02/14/2008 4:48:21 PM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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When we start defining “evangelical” or “fundamentalist” or “born-again” or “christian” to meaning social intitatives or social positions instead of meaning “Bible Believing/Gospel Preaching/Conservative Theological Belief” then those definitions become meaningless. Instead a person should define their faith in terms of the Bible-and “Real (see Literal) belief” in Christ and His Words, and then let their political positions be guided by their faith (and their beliefs).


8 posted on 02/14/2008 5:37:19 PM PST by JSDude1 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56306 "MoveON McCain" To find McCain's Sorros)
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It;s always bugged me that if one is christian and conservative, one is labeld “evangelical.” As if no one ever actually looked up the meaning of the word.


13 posted on 02/14/2008 8:28:33 PM PST by Grunthor (Conservative in voluntary exile since 2006.)
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The Apostate evangelical church is growing..
A Nicolaitan pop culture of feel good ethics..
Rick Warren is merely a headliner in the Donkey Rodeo....
17 posted on 02/14/2008 8:35:38 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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What’s really happening here is an attempt by the Left to define evangelicalism down by moving it away from its emphasis on the power of the gospel to change lives. The church’s ability to affect social and cultural change, bringing relief to the poor and suffering, is rooted first and foremost in its commitment to the gospel of Jesus Christ, and what the gospel says about the condition of man in sin which results in the symptoms of poverty and disease.

Good article. I'm seeing this as I trudge slowly through Bell's Velvet Elvis as well. To this point (and I'm just starting chapter -- or "movement" or "whim" or whatever he calls the divisions -- three), every mention or implied reference to the Gospel has been an experiential one: "living the way Jesus taught" kind of stuff. And that, at least to me, echoes a more social call. There certainly hasn't been much about sin and the need of a Savior.

22 posted on 02/15/2008 7:05:05 AM PST by Cyrano ("To throw that bag away, madness!" "But what a gesture...")
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I think that Huckabee supporters were the ones responsible for defining evangelicalism as being concerned only with abortion and homosexuality. They proved that they didn’t care about any other issues.


38 posted on 02/15/2008 9:42:51 AM PST by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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Of course, they are treating conservative evangelicals just like conservative evangelicals treat the LDS Church. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!


71 posted on 02/15/2008 12:23:16 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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“The Religious Left invalidates the conservative evangelical commitment to humanitarian relief because we are achieving our ends in the name of Jesus Christ through the gospel, without the assistance of government funding.”

What an outraegous lie! If the past 7 years have demonstrated anything, its that evangelicals love spending govt dollars and dispensing them in Jesus’ name just as much as liberals. Sickening.


101 posted on 02/16/2008 9:03:03 AM PST by KantianBurke ("If you like President George W. Bush, you'll love Mike Huckabee,")
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