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To: Religion Moderator
Evidently the long title has resulted in posters not noticing that this is a closed Catholic caucus thread. Posters who are not Catholic should either leave the thread or behave here as if it were a meeting behind the closed doors of a Catholic church.

My question was posed as a legitimate question to catholics. It was not offensive or in any way out of place. I would have asked the question "behind closed doors" of a catholic church.

Am I not allowed to ask questions?

In Christ...Alone!

34 posted on 02/16/2008 4:48:31 AM PST by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6b)
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To: WileyPink
The scriptural substantiation for the dogma of the Immaculate Conception can be found in Luke 1:28

And he came to her and said, "Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you!"

The bolded text corresponds to the Greek word χαριτόω (charitoo), meaning, according to Strong, to grace, i.e. indue with special honor

Prior to Christ's resurrection, the only person with whom that concept was applied was the Blessed Virgin. (In fact, for those who are into that sort of thing, it might be deemed significant that the only other place where the Lemma χαριτόω is used is in Ephesians 1:6 to the praise of his glorious grace which he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.

As Catholics, we believe we are buried with Christ in Baptism. Therefore, through baptism, we are cleansed of the stain of all our sin, including original sin (that we inherited from Adam). (cf Rom 6:4-6:7) God has graced us with grace (Eph 1:6) because of that remission.

For the Angel to state that Mary was "graced," as he did in Luke 1:28, or for him to state, as he did in Luke 1:30, that she εὗρες γὰρ χάριν (found favor) with God, she would need to be specially purified to accomplish what God intended for her.

(btw, if any Catholics continue to read this thread, I would encourage you to do a quick word study on where those two Greek words εὑρίσκω and χάρις appear in proximity one to another. It will blow your mind)

I know, Wiley, that you had brought something up regarding that, but by the time I had a chance to respond, the post had been deleted already. Hope I answered what I thought was the question. If not, please ask away.

61 posted on 02/16/2008 7:31:42 PM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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