Posted on 02/19/2008 11:55:18 AM PST by NYer
You’d think apostasy was a new thing.
“It seems standard OP on FR much of the time for alot of vitriol to be directed both at Catholics and Mormons (please excuse if you have great objections to the latter especially). And I mean vitriol. While I don’t see enough threads, I have yet to see that heavy and endemic vitriol hurled in other Christian directions.”
Perhaps I didn’t make myself clear enough. I’m tired of the rampant (unwarranted) bigotry and venom hurled both at Catholics and Mormons here.
Because you made the statement, and I'm not aware of any official Church pronouncement regarding such an understanding.
I would not countenance gratuitious assertions about your theology predicated on untraceable anecdotes; I'd like a substantive explaination on why you've done so with mine.
I don’t think you are the only one who gets tired of it.
Amazingly the Catholic Church has survived centuries of such hatred and I think that the Mormon Church will to.
I like the Mormons better because of the people here who attack them ... and Rick Warren, too :-).
My acronym stands for “Scriptural Tourette’s Syndrome” and thus does not fall into the category of profanity.
Excellent post.
The very fierce, hostile, super demeaning . . . probably even demonically inspired attacks on Rick Warren and Joel Olsteen
are very incredible, imho.
They are big boys . . . but still . . . it boggles my mind where such feelings originate from given the stimulus.
I would not countenance gratuitious assertions about your theology predicated on untraceable anecdotes; I'd like a substantive explaination on why you've done so with mine.
I'm sorry you have decided that your quarrel is with me. How can someone who's been on this forum for so long be ignorant of the evolutionist/errantist position of most Catholic FReepers? I don't get it. I don't get it at all. All you have to do is read their posts.
There are a few Catholic inerrantists on FR, but you can count them on the fingers of one hand. I wish this weren't so, but it is.
We are at a time when all believers of our Lord Jesus Christ need to come together and seek only Him. We need to encourage others to seek Him while He still may be found. I have learned to only trust His Words. I now understand why he says that no one gets to the Father except through Him.
I have been both Catholic and Baptist. I have seen both apostates and true believers in both denominations. I believe that right now, in this present day, the biggest danger to all believers of Jesus Christ is the ever present compromise of Jesus by these apostates in order to push a relative truth. A false truth where we can all coexist in interfaith dialog under a universalistic works based theology.
That is the bottom line. Will you, as a Christian, put a man made religion, of any religion, of any Christian denomination, before your Savior?
I don’t think any of you will. I love you all.
Whoa, Nelly. Try that again, this time accurately: The vast majority of Catholic FReepers believe that God directs evolution, i.e. we believe in Intelligent Design as hypothesized by those legitimate scientists who see that evolution has clearlly occured throughout the Earth's natural history, but believe that "chance" or Darwinian evolution is impossible, and that all creation seems to show the guiding hand of a creator.
If you're saying the vast majority of Catholics reject the totally scientifically unsupported Young Earth silliness that uneducated folks have insinuated into, and therefore severely harmed, the Intelligent Design movement, you're darn right we do. God, in his Almighty wisdom, gave us brains and wants us to use them, and, I would hazard to guess, not to build museums in which Adam and Eve hang out with T. Rex
But what really amazes me and saddens me is that before I joined FR, I truly believed that Catholics and Fundamentalists were compatible. Now I see that Fundamentalists see Catholics as useful idiots to be used in the political process and then consigned to hell as worshippers of a Satan-driven Church. I suppose you could say, therefore, that being on FR has made me more liberal. Like the left-wing, I now wouldn't vote for a Fundamentalist for any reason, but unlike the left-wing, I started out in your corner and you drove me away. I am sure there are some wonderful Fundamentalists on this site who can convince me I'm wrong, but the constant bigotry of folks like the usual suspects (who have, naturally, already posted in this thread), has made me want to steer very clear of the whole movement.
Let me rephrase something. please replace the word “danger” with “challenge”.
Danger was not an appropriate word to use in that sentence.
Quix, I know you and I disagree on some stuff. Oh, WELL! Doesn’t keep me up at night.
Even when people decide to be bigots ... Okay, knock themselves out. I have to write a skit in Spanish for Girl Scouts by tomorrow at noon.
But then, they expect that *nobody will say anything*! Well, sorry. Earth to Planet Zongo! It’s like when I tell my 16-year-old to “wash, rinse, dry, and put away the dishes,” and then she’s just *astonished* that everything she put in the dishwasher is back in the sink in the morning ...
If somebody decides to be ugly, eventually it’s going to come back around.
I’m garbled, I know ... not enough sleep the last few days ... but I just don’t understand the hatred. Aren’t we all trying to be what we think the Lord wants us to be?
Here's one example of the rejection of total Biblical inerrancy, papertyger.
For what it's worth, cammie, I once believed that Catholics and Fundamentalists were on the same page too. In fact, I was Catholic for six years. But I somehow got the notion that Catholics saw Fundamentalists as "useful idiots" to achieve certain political goals while regarding them as idiots (as you obviously do).
I might add that some may want to try reading this book:
Then I take it by your turning your response directly back at me you do not intend to substantiate the assertion that :
...most Catholics ... feel that in order to be loyal to their church, they must hold the Word of G-d to be full of errors and contradictions.
Young's Literal is only useful if you speak Greek or Hebrew. I wish I read Hebrew -- but I do read Greek and Latin. Worth learning if you want to read the New Testament in the original!
I hope everyone on FR reads this paragraph, and then reads it again, and then reads it again carefully.
If you want to destroy conservatism as an effective political force, drive wedges in it. Drive wedges between Mormon conservatives and everyone else, and tell the Mormons, "Keep out -- you're not wanted here". Drive wedges between Catholic conservatives and everyone else, and tell the Catholics, "Keep out -- you're not wanted here". Drive as many other wedges as you can think of to drive.
Divide and conquer has always worked, and it will always work if it's permitted to.
If you want to know why I voted for Mitt Romney and not Mike Huckabee, you have your answer. I can name 5 or 6 FReepers who alone convinced me to have nothing to do with Huckabee before ever looking at a single one of his positions.
Every one of the 5 or 6 is a vehemently anti-Catholic Protestant.
Would it change anyting about your Confession if I told you of the man I know who has been in a traveling Gospel singing troupe for thirty years that asked me if the book of Romans was in the Old or New Testament?
What about the public school teacher that tried to publicly humiliate my wife as a child because she knew "Son of God" means "God incarnate" and he, as a lifelong Baptist, didn't?
Of course these things aren't going to change the good things you know, just as I will keep the good things I know.
Of what value is holding a doctrine of total biblical inerrancy when it manifests itself as our functionally illiterate brother boldly standing up to proclaim Acts 7:54 of the King James Bible *clearly* proves the Sanhedrin where so mad at Steven they actually bit him!
Would to God we all took Paul's advice about meat sacrificed to idols as a general instead of a specific.
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