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Popular Italian Catholic saint exhumed 40 years on (Padre Pio's body in fair condition)
Reuters ^ | March 3, 2008 | Phillip Pullella

Posted on 03/03/2008 5:33:15 AM PST by NYer

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To: AliVeritas

Maybe I should have said “I know”. In a local paper there are numerous ads stating, “Give thanks to St. Jude for prayers answered. yada, yada, yada.” I grew up Catholic so some old timers would pray to saints and Mother Mary. To ask someone to pray for you is good, to pray to someone other than the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is bad.


51 posted on 03/04/2008 6:19:12 AM PST by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: MEGoody; Antoninus
Please show me from scripture where bodies were exhumed and put on display for 'veneration'.

Earthly remains of the saints are venerated because the saints are living members of Christ and their bodies, like ours, were temples of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 3:16-17, 6:15, 19, Eph. 2:19-22). These remains will one day be awakened and glorified (1 Cor. 15:42-54). While the saints were on earth, God bestowed many graces upon his Church through them (2 Cor. 1:11), and he continues to do so now that they are glorified in God's presence (Heb. 12:1). We honor (dulia) the relics, statues, and images of the saints with a veneration that is directed toward the saints themselves, and in honoring the saints we honor Christ whose members they are (1 Cor. 12:27).

Not only were items associated with the saints used by God as conduits of grace, but the saints' physical remains were used by God as well. In 2 Kings 13:20-21 we read that, after the prophet Elisha had died, "while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders so they threw the man's body into Elisha's tomb. When the body touched Elisha's bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet." Hardly a more dramatic example of the power of God working through relics could be imagined!

Just curious, Goody, do you ever visit the graves of your deceased family members?

52 posted on 03/04/2008 8:02:27 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: John Leland 1789
Were the nails driven through his hands and feet before or after he died?

No nails were driven through his hands or feet. This is a mystical gift given by God. You can read the detailed research on stigmata at the following link.

Mystical Stigmata

53 posted on 03/04/2008 8:12:09 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

seems a bit grisly and not what Christianity is about.


54 posted on 03/04/2008 8:43:24 AM PST by jjm2111 (Are we going to have a Daily Dose of McCain?)
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To: NYer; Antoninus
Goody, do you ever visit the graves of your deceased family members?

When I'm in town, I'll take flowers. I don't dig them up and put their bodies on display.

None of the scriptures you sited talk about digging up bodies and putting them on display, so I don't know where the claim comes from that it is biblical.

If Catholics want to do this kind of stuff, they are of course, free to do so. But as I said, it seems no different from my perspective than that "Bodies Revealed" exhibit that has been touring the country.

55 posted on 03/04/2008 9:17:19 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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See post #52


56 posted on 03/04/2008 9:19:23 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

“No nails were driven through his hands or feet. This is a mystical gift given by God. You can read the detailed research on stigmata at the following link. “


What has this got to do with Revealed Truth (the Bible)?

If there are wounds in the man’s feet and hands, somebody drove some nails.


57 posted on 03/04/2008 9:35:39 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: MEGoody
When I'm in town, I'll take flowers.

Then you are following the Christian practice of honoring the relics of the dead.

None of the scriptures you sited talk about digging up bodies and putting them on display, so I don't know where the claim comes from that it is biblical.

The ancient Jews were scrupulously observant about attending to the remains of their ancestors. In Genesis 50:25 Joseph made his family swear an oath to carry his bones out of Egypt when the time came for them to return to Palestine. This is precisely what Moses himself did over 400 years later when the Israelites were preparing to leave Egypt during the Exodus (Ex. 13:19). In order to transport the bones, they had to dig up the deceased.

58 posted on 03/04/2008 9:36:08 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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Then you are following the Christian practice of honoring the relics of the dead.

Actually, I'm doing it so my sister will be happy. I know my mom isn't there, and doesn't care one bit about flowers on her grave. She is with the One who loves her best.

In order to transport the bones, they had to dig up the deceased.

The bible doesn't actually say that Joseph was buried. Only that he was embalmed and put in a coffin. Even if he was buried, he wasn't 'dug up' so that his body could be venerated. It was done so that a promise that was made to him could be fulfilled. So your example doesn't make what is being done to Padre Pio 'biblical'.

59 posted on 03/04/2008 10:50:33 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: NYer

Not the stigmata, I’m Catholic and I believe Padre Pio’s stigmata was real. Exhuming the body so people can look at it is what I believe is grisly.

Our holiness does not depond on someone else’s.


60 posted on 03/04/2008 11:46:56 AM PST by jjm2111 (Are we going to have a Daily Dose of McCain?)
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To: MEGoody
Can anyone explain to me why in the world these bodies should be put on display? To me, this is a sickening as that ‘educational’ display of human bodies that have been stripped of their skin and posed.

It has the same creepy vibe as the display of Lenin's body in Red Square. A reasonable period of lying in state for people to pay their respects is one thing, but this is just ghoulish.

61 posted on 03/04/2008 11:48:26 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: steve-b
It has the same creepy vibe as the display of Lenin's body in Red Square.

I hadn't even thought about Lenin. . .you're right. Creepy.

62 posted on 03/04/2008 11:49:26 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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