[Pyro7480]

The above is unequivocal. Anyone who fashions himself a "Christian," yet denies Christ's divinity is calling Our Lord Jesus Christ a liar.

[gogogodzilla]

That would mean that G-d has died.

G-d cannot die, therefore Christ cannot be G-d.

(Did not Christ die for your sins?)

[Pyro7480]

I should note that the above was the Gospel proclaimed today in the “extraordinary use” Latin Catholic Mass.

[LivingNet]

Shouldn’t this be in Breaking News?

[Lancey Howard]

Here's the easier to read New English version:

Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God."

The Jews answered him, "Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?" Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me. Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it, and he is the judge. Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death." The Jews said to him, "Now we know that you have a demon! Abraham died, as did the prophets, yet you say, 'If anyone keeps my word, he will never taste death.' Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?" Jesus answered, "If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, 'He is our God.' But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad." So the Jews said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am." they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

[Tennessee Nana]

No argument here...

Thanks for posting this

:)

[Moonman62]

Jesus said to them: 'Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.'

Is this statement in the other tree Gospels?

[normy]

While Jesus is not the Father he certainly is in heaven now at his right hand making intercession (to who?) for mankind. God certainly has given him all authority.

Jesus said after the resurrection "all power is given unto me in heaven and in earth". who gave him that power?

Jesus told the young man who said "good master" "Why call you me good? there is none good except the Father in Heaven."

Jesus said he could do nothing of himself.

Jesus prayed to the Father to take the cup of the crucifixion from him if it were possible.

Jesus said he could pray to his Father and he would send legions of angels.

Jesus is the Son of God the Father. On this earth Jesus walked as a man like you or me except he always did the Fathers will and walked in the power of the Gospel, which is why he is an example for us. The things Jesus did we should be doing and more because he went to the Father. The problem for us is that Jesus was obedient to the Father and had perfect communication with him. We still follow the Law of Moses and wish to be judged by it instead of living by the law of faith in the death burial and resurrection of the Lord of the warfare Jesus Christ.

[onedoug]

At least by Our Father Jesus taught us to pray as Jews.

[joebuck]

“I and the Father are one” (John 10:30) It doesn’t get any clearer than that. Jesus is God. Further, “He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.” (John 5:23) Thus to reject Jesus is to reject God. And to suffer the consequences.

[JesusBmyGod]

ping - must read all

[ravensandricks]

Is it just my imaginiation, or are there a lot more Christianity-related posts on this site lately? I understand that there is a junction of religion and politics, and generally don’t care when people post their views when it comes to the intersection, but over the last week or so, I seem to notice a lot of posts just about Christianity. If my perception is accurate, why is this?

[SeeRushToldU_So]

Christ is the archangel Michael. Michael was God’s first creation. Jesus is God’s son.

Jesus is not God.

[Eagle Eye]

Can you tell us about the punctuation in the Greek texts?

Oh, there isn’t any?

So any punctuation in the KJV or other English version is private interpretation and devoid of any authority?

So going into the context that the religious leaders are arguing about Abraham being the way of truth, Jesus is responding by telling them that in times past, Abraham was the way but now, today, I am.

Before, Abraham was. Today, I am; not prior to Abraham, I existed.

Repunctuate the verse and it makes sense with the rest of the Bible that CLEARLY says that God is spirit, invisible and the Father of Jesus Christ who is a visible man and died on the cross.

[Kevmo]

bmflr on the deity of Christ

[onedoug]

One might think that these were not even the inhabitants of the Land arguing amongst themselves, while rather the Roman occupiers took yet another Jew and regardless the blasphemy to the Jew's religion, crucified him among the hundreds of thousands gone before and after.

How contemporaneously familiar.

[Salvation]

Todays's Gospel:

Gospel
Jn 8:21-30

Jesus said to the Pharisees:
“I am going away and you will look for me,
but you will die in your sin.
Where I am going you cannot come.”
So the Jews said,
“He is not going to kill himself, is he,
because he said, ‘Where I am going you cannot come’?”
He said to them, “You belong to what is below,
I belong to what is above.
You belong to this world,
but I do not belong to this world.
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins.
For if you do not believe that I AM,
you will die in your sins.”
So they said to him, “Who are you?”
Jesus said to them, “What I told you from the beginning.
I have much to say about you in condemnation.
But the one who sent me is true,
and what I heard from him I tell the world.”
They did not realize that he was speaking to them of the Father.
So Jesus said to them,
“When you lift up the Son of Man,
then you will realize that I AM,
and that I do nothing on my own,
but I say only what the Father taught me.
The one who sent me is with me.
He has not left me alone,
because I always do what is pleasing to him.”
Because he spoke this way, many came to believe in him.

[LowOiL]

BTTT...

[Salvation]

Again in today's Gospel Christ mentions that he is from God

Gospel
Jn 8:31-42

Jesus said to those Jews who believed in him,
“If you remain in my word, you will truly be my disciples,
and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
They answered him, “We are descendants of Abraham
and have never been enslaved to anyone.
How can you say, ‘You will become free’?”
Jesus answered them, “Amen, amen, I say to you,
everyone who commits sin is a slave of sin.
A slave does not remain in a household forever,
but a son always remains.
So if the Son frees you, then you will truly be free.
I know that you are descendants of Abraham.
But you are trying to kill me,
because my word has no room among you.
I tell you what I have seen in the Father’s presence;
then do what you have heard from the Father.”

They answered and said to him, “Our father is Abraham.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children,
you would be doing the works of Abraham.
But now you are trying to kill me,
a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God;
Abraham did not do this.
You are doing the works of your father!”
So they said to him, “We were not born of fornication.
We have one Father, God.”
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me,
for I came from God and am here;
I did not come on my own, but he sent me.”

[counterpunch]

What about Ron Paul?
He has quite a following too.

[Salvation]

The end of your quote was today's Gospel. It's been an amazing thread to follow -- the Gospel's of this week, that is!

Gospel
Jn 8:51-59

Jesus said to the Jews:
“Amen, amen, I say to you,
whoever keeps my word will never see death.”
So the Jews said to him,
“Now we are sure that you are possessed.
Abraham died, as did the prophets, yet you say,
‘Whoever keeps my word will never taste death.’
Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died?
Or the prophets, who died?
Who do you make yourself out to be?”
Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is worth nothing;
but it is my Father who glorifies me,
of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’
You do not know him, but I know him.
And if I should say that I do not know him,
I would be like you a liar.
But I do know him and I keep his word.
Abraham your father rejoiced to see my day;
he saw it and was glad.”
So the Jews said to him,
“You are not yet fifty years old and you have seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you,
before Abraham came to be, I AM.”
So they picked up stones to throw at him;
but Jesus hid and went out of the temple area.