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Latin Mass is under fire in Oakland
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/21/8 | Matthai Kuruvila

Posted on 03/21/2008 8:04:24 AM PDT by SmithL

Under the vaulted ceilings of St. Margaret Mary's Church in Oakland, a revered tradition once forsaken has gained new life.

About 300 Roman Catholics go there every Sunday to celebrate the traditional Latin Mass, a rite rich in symbolism that has been on the margins of Catholic life for more than four decades.

But over the past year, decrees by Pope Benedict XVI have given the traditional Latin Mass greater official standing in the Catholic Church, opening the door for some churches to go back to it.

Now, at St. Margaret Mary's, grandparents practice the rituals of their childhood. Young couples are being married under a tradition they encountered only recently. People drive from all over the Bay Area - and beyond - to worship there. The priest says an elderly Modesto woman comes from Stanislaus County once a month by taxi.

But the revitalized tradition is drawing controversy. Some question whether the traditional rite is too outdated for a church grappling with the needs of a diverse membership and facing unprecedented challenges, such as an increasingly interreligious world.

Those challenges are underscored this week, which is Holy Week. Today's Good Friday service has been criticized by many Jewish groups, for example, because the Latin liturgy includes a prayer for God to "enlighten" Jews so they will "acknowledge Jesus Christ, the savior of all men."

The Rabbinical Assembly of Conservative Judaism released a resolution saying it was "disturbed and dismayed" by the prayer and that it undermined decades of productive Jewish-Catholic relations.

The Rev. Michael Wiener, who presides over the St. Margaret Mary's service, said it would deny the core of his faith if he didn't say the prayer.

"Is it appropriate today to pray for the Jews? Of course," he said. "It can't harm anybody to pray...

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Worship
KEYWORDS: latinmass; oakland
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1 posted on 03/21/2008 8:04:25 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

I agree. how is praying for anyone to come to be saved by Christ, going to harm them in anyway?


2 posted on 03/21/2008 8:13:13 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: SmithL

The Rev. Michael Wiener says a woman comes to Mass once a month by taxi from Modesto. Chronicle photo, 2007, by Katy Raddatz
3 posted on 03/21/2008 8:18:48 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: raygunfan
I agree. how is praying for anyone to come to be saved by Christ, going to harm them in anyway?

Perhaps because they didn't ask to be prayed for. It's like a slap in the face by holier than thou Christians. They believe in God and don't go around wearing bombs on their belts so leave them alone.

4 posted on 03/21/2008 8:19:18 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (The fence is "absolutely not the answer" - Gov. Rick Perry (R, TX))
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5 posted on 03/21/2008 8:19:20 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: mtbopfuyn

How is a prayer that threatening to someone?


6 posted on 03/21/2008 8:20:12 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: SmithL

“...church grappling with the needs of a diverse membership...”

What do they want, a *latino* mass instead?


7 posted on 03/21/2008 8:22:37 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Even the ones who do wear bombs around their belts get prayed for on Good Friday, by the way; it’s not only Jews who get prayers. What’s wrong with being prayed for?


8 posted on 03/21/2008 8:23:29 AM PDT by livius
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To: SmithL
Some question

Ahhh, the dreaded journalistic "some" who always criticize, question, or doubt anything good and decent.

A Pox on "some".

9 posted on 03/21/2008 8:26:37 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SmithL
The Rabbinical Assembly of Conservative Judaism released a resolution saying it was "disturbed and dismayed"

But were they "deeply saddened"?

10 posted on 03/21/2008 8:27:34 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SmithL
The Rev. Michael Wiener, who presides over the St. Margaret Mary's service

No, he doesn't. He offeres the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

11 posted on 03/21/2008 8:28:19 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Ahhh, the dreaded journalistic "some" who always criticize, question, or doubt anything good and decent. A Pox on "some".

It's always a safe bet that "some" is a direct translation of "I" for journalists who think they're being clever when giving their opinion.

12 posted on 03/21/2008 8:28:50 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead
These are, of course, "questions that just won't go away."
13 posted on 03/21/2008 8:30:05 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SmithL
Veddy interrestink! The print edition of the paper has this title in bold print:

LATIN MASS MAKING COMEBACK

then, below, a column wide subtitle:

Some ask whether
the traditional ritual
is right for the times

14 posted on 03/21/2008 8:35:25 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("I am like...Dude......do you really....like want the Sex?")
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To: raygunfan
How unChristian is this? Praying to the same God for the conversion of Jews, and coincidentally many pray for the conversion of Islam, is seen as disturbing? Are they afraid that their own God might answer the prayers of these Christians, or that, if He answers too slowly, these nasty Christians will resort to violence to force conversion?

As to the latter, that fear has basis in historical fact. As to the former, ..what?

15 posted on 03/21/2008 8:35:49 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: livius

this looks like “cartoon protests” to me,
I don’t see how are you going to stop anyone from praying for you, I don’t mind if anyone does it for me, just keep ‘em coming :)

I see no big harm anyway, how many people really understand latin mass?
They may piss of some people who really like latin mass.

I am not sure how hard it would be to change it and drop that line or “add others” ?

One group prays to destroy you, the others prays to save you ... no peace ...


16 posted on 03/21/2008 8:37:19 AM PDT by h2ny2
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To: ArrogantBustard
A Pox on "some".

Pax on some.

17 posted on 03/21/2008 8:38:10 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: mtbopfuyn
It's like a slap in the face by holier than thou Christians

You sound upset. I'm going to pray for you.

18 posted on 03/21/2008 8:43:59 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Pyro7480

Wonderful photo.


19 posted on 03/21/2008 8:45:42 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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20 posted on 03/21/2008 8:46:32 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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