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How Do We Know It’s the True Church? - Twelve Things to Look For
On This Rock ^ | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 03/28/2008 1:40:20 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Ottofire
The Magisterium is the teaching authority, not the churchmen who exercise or (choose not to exercise) that authority.
21 posted on 03/29/2008 7:24:13 AM PDT by murphE (I refuse to choose evil, even if it is the lesser of two.)
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To: NYer

>The Catholic Church, like all of the others, is made up of sinners. God, in His mercy, however, preserved it from error. The Bible says that the Church is the pinnacle and foundation of the truth (1 Tim. 3:15) and the final arbiter on questions of the Christian faith (Matt. 18:17). It is through the teaching authority and Apostolic Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15; 3:6; 1 Cor. 11:2) of this Church, who is guided by the Holy Spirit (John 14:16,26; 16:13), that we know of the divine inspiration of the Scriptures, and the manifold wisdom of God. (cf. Ephesians 3:10).

Wow! So these sinners who make up the Elders/Bishops in your church do not stand to the scrutiny that Paul suggests Elders/Bishops should, yet they maintain their lofty status in said One True Church, all the while putting on the Alter Christus title and having people kiss their rings. Those hands have covered the abuse of children of your own parishes.

The men that your church has placed over you, that have allowed the abuse to continue, should have been removed from office and that lack of church discipline shows that the church hierarchy is not doing its job, but rather just worried about the temporal consequences of their actions. These are not men of God. I shudder for their souls and those that allow them to continue in their offices. This is a millstone around the Catholic Church’s neck. Flee from this monstrosity, this abomination that calls itself the One True Church.

Church discipline IS a sign of Gods church, and the Catholic church has shown it favors political expediency instead.


22 posted on 03/29/2008 7:39:52 AM PDT by Ottofire (Psalm 18:31 For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?)
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To: Ottofire
This letter to the editor was in this morning's news cycle....
Dear Editor: I read in The Capital Times that the Catholic Church has just added a number of new sins that address pollution, mind-damaging drugs and social injustice. This is appropriate to keep up with the times.

However, the Catholic Church is deafeningly silent on the issue of clergy sexual abuse of children.

No one connected with the church that I know of has addressed that issue with the laity. Is it a sin to knowingly assign pedophiles to a round of parishes? Is it a sin to pay victims to keep their mouths shut and then have them sign a statement that if they ever tell about their abuse to repay the money with interest?

I am sure there are scores of Catholics who would like answers to these questions.

Possibly Bishop Robert Morlino could provide answers on a compact disc and send it to all the parishes in the Diocese of Madison.

He could require that the CD be played at all Masses on a Sunday of his choice. He could then require that all priests not express any disagreement with whatever he says or suffer dire consequences.

This action by Bishop Morlino could put these questions to rest once and for all. At the present time, all the Catholic faithful are getting is a lot of papal bull.

Philip Neis

Madison


23 posted on 03/29/2008 9:47:47 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: sandyeggo

Ah, another one of those threads with a pyroclastic flow of anti-Catholic hate.


25 posted on 03/29/2008 9:53:51 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Petronski; sandyeggo; BlueDragon

Nothing like the private tirade I got! LOL!

Things need to be answered here, so others can see (and hear.)


26 posted on 03/29/2008 9:58:33 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

Good post!


27 posted on 03/29/2008 9:59:48 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
one person—the Rock on which the Church is built, Peter and his successors.

This is a false premise based at best on ignorance of the Holy Word of G-d.
Matthew. 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this Rock I will build my church,

Jesus said unto Peter; “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church”



One method of Hermeneutical understanding of Matthew 16:18
is to do a word study of all the scriptures which were then known
as the Holy Word of G-d when Yah'shua spoke these words.
This will allow one to understand that all of the Holy Word of G-d
was inspired by YHvH; the whole counsel of G-d.

The only conclusion that one can come to unless you are
predisposed to believe in man's tradition over the Holy Word of G-d
is that Yah'shua was speaking of himself as the "Rock "
e.g.



Genesis 49:24 But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed
[Or archers will attack...will shoot...will remain...will stay] supple,
because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob,
because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,

Deuteronomy 32:3 I will proclaim the name of the LORD. Oh, praise the greatness of our God!

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock , his works are perfect, and all his ways are
just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.

Deuteronomy 32:15 ..... He abandoned the God who made him and rejected the Rock his Saviour.

Deuteronomy 32:30 How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten
thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless
the LORD had given them up?

Deuteronomy 32:31 For their rock is not like our Rock , as even our enemies concede

Deuteronomy 32:32 Their vine comes from the vine of Sodom and from the fields of Gomorrah.
Their grapes are filled with poison, and their clusters with bitterness.

1 Samuel 2:2 "There is no-one holy [Or no Holy One] like the LORD;
there is no-one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.

2 Samuel 22:2 He said: "The LORD is my Rock , my fortress and my deliverer;

2 Samuel 22:3 my God is my Rock , in whom I take refuge, my shield and the
horn [Horn here symbolises strength.] of my salvation.
He is my stronghold, my refuge and my saviour — from violent men you save me.

2 Samuel 22:32 For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?

2 Samuel 22:47 "The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock ! Exalted be God, the Rock , my Saviour!

2 Samuel 23:3 The God of Israel spoke, the Rock of Israel said to me:
'When one rules over men in righteousness, when he rules in the fear of God,

Psalm 18:31 For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?

Psalm 18:46 The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock ! Exalted be God my Saviour!

Psalm 19:14 May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.

Psalm 42:9 I say to God my Rock , "Why have you forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy?"

Psalm 78:35 They remembered that God was their Rock , that God Most High was their Redeemer.

Psalm 89:26 He will call out to me, `You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Saviour.'

Psalm 92:15 ..... "YHvH is upright; he is my Rock , and there is no wickedness in him."

Psalm 95:1 Come, let us sing for joy to the LORD; let us shout aloud to the Rock of our salvation.

Psalm 144:1 Praise be to the LORD my Rock , who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.

Habakkuk 1:12 O LORD, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy
One, we will not die. O LORD, you have appointed them to
execute judgment; O Rock , you have ordained them to punish.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

30 posted on 03/29/2008 10:18:14 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Salvation

Nothing speaks of Christ’s love like a cowardly anti-Catholic hatemail.


31 posted on 03/29/2008 10:23:33 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Petronski

LOL! I read one line and deleted it. I have no idea what the rest of it said.


32 posted on 03/29/2008 10:25:45 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

About Fr. Longenecker, I think we can be sure two things are true:

a) He does in fact exist.

b) He has never lied about being a nun.


33 posted on 03/29/2008 10:26:47 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Petronski

I don’t hate Catholics but I will never be one.


34 posted on 03/29/2008 10:30:03 AM PDT by lonestar
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To: lonestar

Were you baptized a Catholic?


35 posted on 03/29/2008 10:33:02 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
The New Testament provides the best attributes of the church of Jesus Christ, such as the following:

Ephesians 2
19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

The church of Jesus Christ should have apostles and prophets.

36 posted on 03/29/2008 11:34:26 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: Salvation
Were you baptized a Catholic?

No. I have relatives and friends who are Catholic but I will never be one.

I know that to God I'm as important as the Pope.

37 posted on 03/29/2008 11:40:52 AM PDT by lonestar
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To: lonestar
I know that to God I'm as important as the Pope.

Well, at least that is something you and the Pope can agree on! :-)

38 posted on 03/29/2008 11:58:11 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: lonestar

**I know that to God I’m as important as the Pope.**

Strange, have you received the Sacrament of Holy Orders?

The Sacrament of Confirmation?

The Sacrament of Baptism?

These three sacraments the Pope has received, and he is forever elevated in God’s judgment because of them.

Sorry to disappoint you, but as Catholics, we need to look at the facts.


40 posted on 03/29/2008 1:27:13 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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