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[Alex Murphy]

Why is it never enough for Protestants Catholics to say they disagree with Catholic the Reformed interpretation of Scripture; they always seem to have to find something wicked about it.

Sounds like a perfect summation of the Council of Trent's Sixth Session.

[Alex Murphy]

You are not on my ping list.

Which explains the constant pings to your Catholic conversion threads (see this ping, and this ping, and this ping for recent examples). Do not ping me to any of your threads again.

[Tax-chick]

Some of the comments on this thread, even before I went to bed last night, reminded me of an occasion when Larry Lewis spoke to the RCIA class at our parish. My husband and I, who are also both converts, were sponsors in that class.

One of the candidates, a mature man, maybe in his late 40’s, asked Larry about opposition from one’s family, and what could be done. Larry said that it hurt him and Joetta every day to know that their children felt such hostility toward the Catholic Church, and such resentment at the path their parents’ journey had taken. All he could do was suffer it, like Jesus suffered and Mary suffered.

[Running On Empty]

That happens to very many converts to Catholicism. I experienced actual rejection from my Protestant friends. And it took some time for my father and mother to accept my conversion. However, in the end, both of my parents were ministered to by a priest in the last hours of their life. Deo gratias.

[Tax-chick]

My parents are still Protestants, but they basically shrugged at our conversion. The only family member who was deeply hostile was my husband’s brother, but they’d never gotten along anyway, and it’s blown over.

[BaBaStooey]

I get pretty disappointed when one of these threads devolves into the same conversation on the differences between Catholicism and everything else.

I'd like to encourage anyone who doesn't understand the Catholic relationship with the Blessed Virgin to please read this book. It does a good job of explaining all the Catholic dogmas, scriptural references, various devotions, etc. etc. etc. and is written in such a way that it can be a handy resource for Catholics and non-Catholics alike.



I'm not asking you to believe anything. Believe whatever you want to believe. But if you want to understand, and trust me, if you want to engage in the discussion properly, you should understand the "other side," then please be educated on what the other side believes. This book is a good place to begin.

[Tax-chick]

*sound of crickets*

[BaBaStooey]

[AnAmericanMother]

Where are the bails? Has he been stumped? Are we stumped? < g >

And what on EARTH is "USA" doing on that wicketkeeper???!!!??? It's . . . unAmerican!

[Tax-chick]

I would have completely missed the relevance of that picture if AAM hadn’t commented :-). Some days the world just whizzes by me ...

[AnAmericanMother]

Yep, bowled out . . . just like me!

My parents had a couple of international visitors who were English barristers.

As part of their entertainment, we took them to a Braves game.

I offered to explain baseball if they would explain cricket.

We tried. Everybody tried. I'm not sure how successful any of the attempts at explanation were!

[Tax-chick]

One of our NC FReepers lives in an apartment complex in Durham that is also occupied by many computer-y types from India. He said they play cricket in the parking lots on weekends, with beer and shouting.

[AnAmericanMother]

I thought beer and shouting were mandatory for pickup cricket games.

At least, they were for all the ones I saw in the Caribbean. A far cry from Lords and W.G. Grace.

[Tax-chick]

I have never seen a social cricket match - or a professional one, for that matter. My brother, who lived in England for 5 years, said cricket was too boring to watch or play, and he’s really into sports of all kinds!

Around here, we have basketball or soccer in the street, and the beer and shouting are kept to a reasonable level because of the number of police in the subdivision. Deputy Sheriff just four houses down across the street!

[AnAmericanMother]

Just to avoid any possible confusion:

Lords

Lourdes.

[Tax-chick]

Is “Lord’s” the stadium or the team? Or the tournament?

[AnAmericanMother]

“Lords” is Lords Cricket Ground, home ground of the Marylebone Cricket Club (which I believe is the oldest club still in existence) and site of the big international tournaments or test matches, the most famous of which is the long-running contest between England and Australian for “the Ashes”.

[AnAmericanMother]

Sheesh. Australia.

[roamer_1]

Hey, I'm not the one that claimed "The role of the intercessor is the same thing as the role of a priest," so don't expect ME to make sense out of it.

Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord swore and will not repent, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek:)
Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Heb 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For such a high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated forevermore.
(e-Sword: KJV)

Not at all. One does not treat their sovereign like their "go-to-guy." The Scriptures tell us in many places to be cautious in the presence of the King.

Surely. He is our Sovereign, our Redeemer, and our Priest. He is most worthy of the respect he deserves, and should not be taken lightly. But you miss the point: There is no other. He is the Sovereign, the Redeemer, and the Priest.

Which is why we ask the Blessed Virgin Mary to interceed for us.

You need an intercessor for your Intercessor? What, is He too busy or something?

The Scriptures clearly state Jesus told the BVM "mine hour is not yet come," but He changed the divine plan for His first miracle to accommodate her. NO ONE else in Scripture evinces such a profound influence on the Almighty for such a pedestrian problem.

...Or perhaps it is merely the record of his first miracle, wrapped around a young man honoring his mother, in spite of an "Aw, Jeez, Ma..." moment.

Since Mary's intercession is only inferred within the passage, as I am sure you will agree, I would be more comfortable with your interpretation thereof if it could be confirmed 'thematically' elsewhere at the very least.

As an example, we both accept the Trinity, the Triune Godhead, because of evidence of that theme- While there is no direct mention of the Trinity within the scripture, there is a substantial body of scripture that supports the inference.

I am unaware of substantial evidence of Mary's intercessory role, or of the intercession of saints, as a broader theme, within the Scriptures.

[Tax-chick]

Aha! I have heard of the England-Australia match.