Posted on 04/03/2008 8:28:09 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
The Nicene Creed is a good representation of my Gospel.
Christ is the Son of God and died for the redemption of mankind.
You don’t know what you are talking about....which is pretty much the usual around here.
We are really a cult now! /sarcasm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/1190/creed.html
and I'll quote from this Freemason book:
http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/ward_moral_teachingsfr.html
"Freemasonry is something much wider than a school of purely moral instruction, as becomes manifest when we study the second and third degrees, which to a large extent consist of mystical teaching of a more complex and spiritual nature than that usually designated by the term, "moral instruction."
The true significance of the above quoted phrase lies in the fact that is given to an E.A. , and the first degree teaching the important lesson that spiritual progress is only possible to those who have conformed rigidly to the moral law. Indeed, it is only when the apprentice has satisfied his instructors that he has made himself acquainted with the principles of moral truth and virtue that he is permitted to extend his researches into the hidden mysteries of nature and science."
"Now, "the hidden mysteries of nature and science" are clearly something quite different from the principles of moral truth and virtue. These, we are told, form a necessary qualification for advancement in the search for further knowledge, and this fact should put us on our guard against assuming that Freemasonry is a peculiar system of morality, and nothing more."
"Let us, however, consider the phrase in more detail, for at first sight it strikes us as unusual in form. Many students have jumped to the conclusion that it indicates that the morality of Freemasons is peculiar, but even a cursory glance through the rituals, not only of the first but also of the second and third degrees, reveals nothing at all unusual in the type of morality taught. It is, indeed, hardly distinguishable from the ordinary code of morality proclaimed by all the various Christian churches."
"What is peculiar however is that much of it is taught by allegories and symbols instead of by didactic phrases. Not that the latter are entirely lacking, but in so far as they exist they do not fall under the terms of this definition, and although well desrving of study are obviously for the most part 18th century additions."...
Thus at the very commencement of our Masonic career we are taught in a peculiar way, by means of allegory and symbol, that the moral laws are not man-made conventions but Divine commands, which man should be able to recognise as such by means of the Divine Light within him."
Scripture says these rituals are of no use and are in fact detrimental and insulting to God, who alone sanctifies through his Word. We are also told there is no Divine anything in us other than being created in the image of God, that we the heart of man is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked, who can know it? These Biblical teachings are incompatible with Freemasonry. Or did you two skip degrees 1-3?
Of course, that's "just my (and quite a lot of others') interpretation." I guess if I wanted I could try and make those words I quoted mean something else. In fact, when I hear "that's your interpretation" I'm going to interpret it to mean "Why, you're right terriergal!"
Only the TRUTH will set you free. If you aren't sure you have it, you probably don't. (the converse is not equally true)
So why are you looking to that Divine inner light?
check the post where I quote a Freemason site about how religious it is.
Yeah no one likes to admit it when they are told.
But Quakers are too (inner light etc) - the Freemason literature I have read reeks of the Colossian heresy that Paul condemned in that book: Rituals, moralism, etc.
Sorry to disappoint you. Wouldn’t phase me a bit for someone to call me a member of a cult, because I know it’s not true.
Jeez, imagine if he had been made the head of the Stonecutters...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKojBvMNc_M
To understand Christ's commandments, Love the Lord your God, with all your heart, soul, and mind; love your neighbor as yourself. How do we love our neighbor? How do we treat our fellow man? How do we best serve? In all things in life, we learn the lessons from the lives of others. We know how to build a house because others before us have built houses and, through trial and error, have learned to build better houses. We each should not have to learn to build a house from scratch, instead, we should learn the lessons from those who came before us the best way to build the house.
How should we treat our neighbor, what is loving our neighbor? Should we start from scratch or should we learn the lessons from those who came before us?
As for ‘ritual’, how did you learn math? Were you given a bunch of instructions and told just to do it or, were you given word puzzles, rhymes, and other tools to help you remember the tables?
I don’t purify myself or sanctify myself by ritual. Religious ritual is not the same as rote.
To learn these things I read my Bible, I don’t pledge myself to any organization and thereby yoke myself to their authority, giving them the power to tell me whether I can ‘progress’ to the next degree of membership.
Christ forbade making such vows and enslaving yourself, with the exception of marriage, which was instituted by him. This kind of thing is EXACTLY what is going on in the apostate evangelical church these days, thinking that by getting people to make vows and follow stricter and stricter membership guidelines (dues/tithes, DOING more and more for the church programs, etc.) that that is what makes them more spiritually mature and sanctified. It completely fails to do that.
God, through his control of life’s events, and by our submission to His word alone (granted you may seek advice from good pastors/teachers but are never to be bound to them by a formal oath, what if they go off the rails or turn out to be false teachers?), the Word Alone is how the Holy Spirit works. The only ‘rituals’ if you want to call them that, which were instituted by Christ are the Lord’s Supper and Baptism, and there is much disagreement on those as well, and just what they accomplish.
I truly don’t want to denigrate my friends who are masons. I just see that there *are* religious elements that are incompatible with Christianity. I also see many so called Christian churches (see your other thread on Churchianity) who are teaching and doing things incompatible with Christianity.
Really, never had a job, never signed a contract, never gone to college, never joined a political party? We all pledge ourselves to organizations and yoke ourselves to authority every day. When you go to college, for example, you sign a contract, pledge yourself to obey their rules, agree to learn certain things before you can progress to the next level, take part in many rituals (you would love the tortilla throwing at Texas Tech football games), wear the garb of the organization, have hand signs, learn stories to help you remember what you are studying, take tests to test your memory..
I’m talking spiritually.
If I may, here is a link that explains this far better than I could. Much of this I’ve already quoted, there are also many links from this. It would be best to send you to a direct source instead of copying and pasting or attempting to paraphrase.
http://www.indianafreemasons.com/imoanti/statement.html
...I also have to hit the road but I don’t want you to think I was blowing off any further questions this evening..
I look forward to picking this up later..
Thank you . I knew that you would give me the straight shot . I’m sorry for the extended delay and thank you again ;)
Having just read the thread , it was not my desire to toss you into an argument . Next time I’ll email you instead .
This book http://www.amazon.com/Truth-Twisters-Harold-J-Berry/dp/0847412121 has a great chapter exposing the darkness of the Masonic Lodge. I’ll take a look at it later and see if I can post an extract.
As an aside - a friend of mine who pastors a church in north Texas taught on the dangerous dogma of the Masons and told those in the church who were of the lodge to repent and be exposed and disciplined. About a third of the church left. The church is stronger today as a result.
oh well. :-)
Am there. Sorry, but you have been scammed, Terrigal.
The Masonic-Bashers always fall back on that line when their logic, reason and evidence fails.
With all due respect, Terriergal, I rather doubt that with your opinion and mindset, you really have any friends who are Masons. The contempt you have for the Order prevents you from being a true or honest friend of anyone who would belong to the Craft.
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